No longer running out of water
No longer running out of water
I had encountered a problem with running out of water in my cpap tank several times per night. I like a lot of humidity. I have tested this final fix for about a month, and have had no problems with running out of water. I went considered many options but here is my solution to the problem.
I started out with a canister that I purchased a Walmart, a water tank, 1/4 id x 3/8 OD tubing, and four aluminum barbed tube fittings tube 1/4 id x 1/4 - 28 male pipe Mcmaster Carr part no 5058k34. I chose these fittings because I wanted to drill as small a hole as possible thru the tank.
using a 7/32 drill and a 1/4 -28 tap I drilled and tapped the holes for the fittings in the water chamber and reservoir. I also put some silicon sealant on the threads to insure no leaks. One fitting above the water line in the chamber and reservoir, one as close to the bottom of the chamber and reservoir as possible without hitting the bottom.
I then attached the hose, allowing enough hose length for the reservoir to sit behind the cpap machine on the nightstand. I tested this setup, but even though the canister was designed to hold a vacuum, it would not hold pressure.
I needed a canister that would hold pressure, but also that the wall thickness of the canister was thick enough to provide for a few threads for the fittings. I purchased a new one gallon gas can and installed the fittings, included a sight for water level, and used some 3/8 Herbie clamps to insure the tubing stayed on the fittings. It might not look like much, but it holds 4 2/3 cups of water vs the 1 1/3 cups of just the tank by itself, a little over three times the capacity of the stock chamber.
Keep in mind that this set up operates on gravity feed, you never want to let the water level go above the fill line in the water chamber. I also will eventually remove the site for water level since the water level in the tank does not go past the height of the T fittings installed in the lower tubing line.
The design was not perfect, but it sure works well. If anyone decides to build on, and finds a better canister for the reservoir please let me know.
I started out with a canister that I purchased a Walmart, a water tank, 1/4 id x 3/8 OD tubing, and four aluminum barbed tube fittings tube 1/4 id x 1/4 - 28 male pipe Mcmaster Carr part no 5058k34. I chose these fittings because I wanted to drill as small a hole as possible thru the tank.
using a 7/32 drill and a 1/4 -28 tap I drilled and tapped the holes for the fittings in the water chamber and reservoir. I also put some silicon sealant on the threads to insure no leaks. One fitting above the water line in the chamber and reservoir, one as close to the bottom of the chamber and reservoir as possible without hitting the bottom.
I then attached the hose, allowing enough hose length for the reservoir to sit behind the cpap machine on the nightstand. I tested this setup, but even though the canister was designed to hold a vacuum, it would not hold pressure.
I needed a canister that would hold pressure, but also that the wall thickness of the canister was thick enough to provide for a few threads for the fittings. I purchased a new one gallon gas can and installed the fittings, included a sight for water level, and used some 3/8 Herbie clamps to insure the tubing stayed on the fittings. It might not look like much, but it holds 4 2/3 cups of water vs the 1 1/3 cups of just the tank by itself, a little over three times the capacity of the stock chamber.
Keep in mind that this set up operates on gravity feed, you never want to let the water level go above the fill line in the water chamber. I also will eventually remove the site for water level since the water level in the tank does not go past the height of the T fittings installed in the lower tubing line.
The design was not perfect, but it sure works well. If anyone decides to build on, and finds a better canister for the reservoir please let me know.
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Re: No longer running out of water
Are you keeping up with your leak line in SleepyHead? One common reason for high water usage is large unintentional mask leak.
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Re: No longer running out of water
My leak stats on sleepyhead were always within normal range, so long as I didn't knock my mask off. I use high pressures, and the humidity level of the room is low. I wasn't running out of water every night but on some occasions I would use three tanks during the night.
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Re: No longer running out of water
That sounds like a process out of control or widely varying room conditions (temperature/humidity).AlabamaAl wrote: I wasn't running out of water every night but on some occasions I would use three tanks during the night.
I am concerned that your "fix" is a bandaid covering up another problem.
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Re: No longer running out of water
well, I for one think that's a pretty neat engineering solution!AlabamaAl wrote:I had encountered a problem with running out of water in my cpap tank several times per night. I like a lot of humidity. I have tested this final fix for about a month, and have had no problems with running out of water. I went considered many options but here is my solution to the problem.
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Re: No longer running out of water
Some of us live in old houses with old style furnaces that have no built-in humidifiers or dehumidifiers.
The relative humidity in our bedroom ranges from <15% in winter to >80% in summer.
This makes for huge differences in water use, even with zero excess leak.
Even the geniuses (?) who design machines have no idea of the water capacity required in
conditions less "sophisticated" than what they take for granted. Go figure!
My brilliant colleague has devised a far more economical solution than a new HVAC system.
Edit: three tanks is a bit much, though, unless you are sleeping all day.
The relative humidity in our bedroom ranges from <15% in winter to >80% in summer.
This makes for huge differences in water use, even with zero excess leak.
Even the geniuses (?) who design machines have no idea of the water capacity required in
conditions less "sophisticated" than what they take for granted. Go figure!
My brilliant colleague has devised a far more economical solution than a new HVAC system.
Edit: three tanks is a bit much, though, unless you are sleeping all day.
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Re: No longer running out of water
chunkyfrog wrote:Some of us live in old houses with old style furnaces that have no built-in humidifiers or dehumidifiers.
The relative humidity in our bedroom ranges from <15% in winter to >80% in summer.
This makes for huge differences in water use, even with zero excess leak.
Even the geniuses (?) who design machines have no idea of the water capacity required in
conditions less "sophisticated" than what they take for granted. Go figure!
My brilliant colleague has devised a far more economical solution than a new HVAC system.
Edit: three tanks is a bit much, though, unless you are sleeping all day.
Despite all you wrote, your final disclaimer indicates you agree that the process is out of control.
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Re: No longer running out of water
Rube Goldberg's devices also worked. But I would not call them "pretty neat engineering solutions".palerider wrote: well, I for one think that's a pretty neat engineering solution!
If you solve the wrong problem, no matter how "elegantly", it's not a good solution.
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I would like a report back on how it goes carrying that on an airliner.
Re: No longer running out of water
When there is no rain for several weeks during the fall and winter months, the humidity falls. Water usage by the humidifier goes up. Yes, one night I had to fill it three times.
Since I don't plan to set foot on a plane there is no problem with the set up. If I ever had to, I have a spare water chamber available. As long as I get a comfortable nights sleep, don't wake up with stuck mouth parts because I ran out of water, and my AHI stays around 1, as it has for several months I couldn't care less what some say about the set up. It dang sure works for me. I shared it because I am sure that there are others that have the same problem I had with running out of water at night.
Since I don't plan to set foot on a plane there is no problem with the set up. If I ever had to, I have a spare water chamber available. As long as I get a comfortable nights sleep, don't wake up with stuck mouth parts because I ran out of water, and my AHI stays around 1, as it has for several months I couldn't care less what some say about the set up. It dang sure works for me. I shared it because I am sure that there are others that have the same problem I had with running out of water at night.
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Re: No longer running out of water
you're not the first person to complain about running out of water... I was talking to a friend when I saw your post, and her response was 'ooooooh!!' because we've talked about ideas for adding more capacity to the prs1 humdifier.AlabamaAl wrote: I shared it because I am sure that there are others that have the same problem I had with running out of water at night.
I'd just ignore the naysayers. maybe they're secretly wishing you'd make one for them
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Re: No longer running out of water
I nearly run out most nights (8 hours, 15% RH), and need to wet my whistle on awakening--without fail.
Even though my leak rate is within allowable parameters.
Funny that your mouth does not get dry. I wonder what your RH is when you need three tanks full, and your hours sleeping.
Could there be a leak in the hose? Leak in the reservoir? Thirsty gnomes? Straw wrappers under the bed?
If your mouth is consistently moist, how can you possibly be mouth-breathing?
Something does not add up.
Even though my leak rate is within allowable parameters.
Funny that your mouth does not get dry. I wonder what your RH is when you need three tanks full, and your hours sleeping.
Could there be a leak in the hose? Leak in the reservoir? Thirsty gnomes? Straw wrappers under the bed?
If your mouth is consistently moist, how can you possibly be mouth-breathing?
Something does not add up.
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Re: No longer running out of water
You sure that wasn't " oooooh!!"?palerider wrote:you're not the first person to complain about running out of water... I was talking to a friend when I saw your post, and her response was 'ohhhhh!' because we've talked about ideas for adding more capacity to the prs1 humdifier.AlabamaAl wrote: I shared it because I am sure that there are others that have the same problem I had with running out of water at night.
I'd just ignore the naysayers. maybe they're secretly wishing you'd make one for them
And who ARE the people who engineer these things without thinking that winter air in the northern climes is dry enough to make skin crack, noses bleed...and these silly tiny tanks run DRY??
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Re: No longer running out of water
yes, thank you, wouldn't want to mis-quoteTatooed Lady wrote:You sure that wasn't " oooooh!!"?palerider wrote: and her response was 'ohhhhh!'
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Yes, but AlabamaAl might be living in Alabama. It is not a dry state and it is not a state that has cold winters.Tatooed Lady wrote:And who ARE the people who engineer these things without thinking that winter air in the northern climes is dry enough to make skin crack, noses bleed...and these silly tiny tanks run DRY??
Al indicates that one tank is enough most nights and then there are a few nights he uses three tanks. That's not the result of a "northern clime". He has some major leaks somewhere in his system on the three-tank nights. He would have been better off spending his time finding and fixing the leaks.
But if anyone has a leak free system and still really needs so much moisture, there is already an elegant and inexpensive solution on the market - https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fisher ... ifier.html