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poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:30 pm

Hello!

I have been chemically burned in my lungs, throat and esophagus from a ResMed cpap machine. I need your advice. I have talked to my dr., called the place who sold me the cpap machine and my pulmonary therapist. This is what happened. I upped my humidity setting to 4.5 and the water chamber was too small to handle that at my 12 air force setting. It ran out of water and starting sending direct plastic fumes into my lungs around 2am when I started coughing badly while half asleep. By 6am I had inhaled 4 hours of plastic burning fumes pumped directly into my lungs and woke suddenly with shortness of breath. I have chemical burns in my lungs, throat and esophagus. This happened 2 days ago. My dr. said we just have to wait and see what happens. I am worried about cancer down the road from the plastic fumes. My dr. is also. Can anyone tell me if you had this happen to you? Or give me any info on what could happen inhaling these plastic fumes in my full face mask half the night. This faulty machine is still being sold and is Kaiser's #1 choice for people because it is cheaper than respironics. I called the company who sold it to me and they said many people have my same machine and they malfunction and stop in the middle of the night etc. They have tried to convince Kaiser to stop their contract with this supplier to no avail. I am so concerned about my health now. I have a red throat and have to cough to clear my throat of the irritation. Please help with any info if you can. A cpap should automatically shut off the humidifier or set off an alarm if the water chamber is getting to low. My life and lungs may be at risk now form a machine that was supposed to help me. I have used a cpap successfully for 4 years until now :(

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby bemused on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:36 pm

What model humidifier do you have?

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby Cotay on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:43 pm

bemused wrote:What model humidifier do you have?


Last I heard, Kaiser dealt only with Phillips Respironics.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:45 pm

I took photos of the back and all over the machine. They took the machine back. For some reason this will not post, I am new here.

It states on the back stickers:
S9
H5i
LR76410
SN 23111575100
REF 36900
Lot 295905B
Made in Singapore

SN 23111575745
REF 36005
Lot 295905A

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:47 pm

No no, Kaiser requires RedMed here in Colorado and only let me have a respironics machine if I had asked for one, but at that time I did not know you had to ask and just trusted everyone, so dumb of me and now my life is in danger.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby avi123 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:51 pm

I use this non standard Resmed's humidifier. It is Resmed S9 H5i ™ Dishwasher Safe Water Chamber. So if it is "Dishwasher safe" it means that water temperature of close to 200 F should NOT effect the plastic parts in it. I don't know if the machine has a safety sensor to stop the humidifier's heating element if the the chamber runs out of water. But I assume that it has.


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But before placing the chamber in a dishwasher they advice removing the yellow plastic water height scale. All the rest of plastic pieces stay in the dishwasher.


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OK, I just checked the H5i specs, and if you used this type then you could NOT been "burned" by the chamber running out of water because it has both a thermostatic chamber temperature and air flow sensors and controllers.


Check it here:

http://www.resmed.com/us/patients_and_f ... -faqs.html

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:02 pm

That photo, that is my killer water chamber and there is NO alarm or warning when the water runs out. It then heats the plastic after the water runs dry and when I woke at 6am I smelled this awful plastic smell and was breathing it all in, kind of like a bad toasted marshmallow. I warn you, this chamber, if it runs out at 2am, again humidity number 4.5 and 12 air force, you will be breathing toxic fumes for 4 hours like I was when I started coughing from the fumes and had no idea what was going on in my half sleep. The hot plate heats the plastic enough to send out fumes. My mask I used that night still has the smell in it too so I got a new mask. It is deadly. My dr. is worried. But not more than I am.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:06 pm

Ahhh wait, mine is not dishwasher safe. It looks JUST like it but does not come apart. BUT if you were breathing in from an empty chamber I think you would still smell my fumes I had. In the dishwasher it cools down but on a hot plate with no water it is sent directly into your lungs!

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:08 pm

NO one should breath the air from their cpap if the hot plate is still going with no water in the chamber. Plastic is plastic and it is VERY toxic to breathe when heated. And I am living proof of that.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby squid13 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:11 pm

According to the Tech. Specs. for the H5i the Maximum heater plate temp is 150 degrees F or65 degrees C. The temperature cutout is 165 degrees F or 74 degrees C. Maximum gas temperature at mask <106 degrees F or <41 degrees C. Maybe it has a bad temperature cutout, otherwise a bad humidifier.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:12 pm

For some reason I have posted as a guest and also as my outdoorgirl303 name. Hmmmm. I have to go now but I sure hope someone has some advice on all this and I will check back after my soft food lunch. My throat is red, my lungs hurt, and my dr. knows I am in trouble. They should made some safe non plastic material for water chambers, NOT plastic!

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby outdoorgirl303 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:18 pm

The company who sold me the machine said they have had so many problems with the ResMed machine I had. She wants Kaiser to stop contracting with that supplier! But they will not listen to the manager here with Appria Healthcare. Mine could have overheated, most likely as she said this model is no good! I asked her why did you send it to me??????????? Silence. Money, that is why, it is the one Kaiser recommends because she said they contract with them. Life does not matter I guess. Time will tell what happens to me now....

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby nanwilson on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:32 pm

Does this really sound real????????? Are we being burned again. I spent the whole night with no water in my humidifier when I forgot to fill it and didn't know it until next morning when I went to give it a drink, no ill effects whatsoever. Hhmmmmmmm.

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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby NightMonkey on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm

outdoorgirl303 wrote:The company who sold me the machine said they have had so many problems with the ResMed machine I had.



That is probably a lie.

DMEs are notorious for lying (and their purported consultants are notorious liars).
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Re: poisoned by water chamber plastic fumes

Postby Slinky on Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:35 pm

Resmeds are more expensive than the PR (Respironics) devices, not less expensive. Resmed makes VERY GOOD devices, every bit as good as PR (Respironics). That is not to say that occasionally a "mistake" doesn't occur - from BOTH manufacturers.

The Respironics M Series had a horribly designed humidifier that took 3-4 revisions to finally correct. Quite a few of the early PR S1s had a problem w/stopping during the night, sometimes re-starting, sometimes not. The Resmed S8s had a power connection problem and a large Recall to rectify the problem. Pooh happens to the best of manufacturers on occasion.

Have YOU contacted Resmed about this problem? Assuming you are reasonable and diplomatic I've found Resmed to be excellent to work with when there is a problem.

I am somewhat skeptical of there being damage done to your throat, lungs, etc. due to the humidifier overheating the dry water tank. Just the air too dry can cause irritation to the throat, mouth, etc. Even too much humidity, especially unheated, can cause chapping of the nasal passages, etc. I've heard others complain about a "plastic" smell to a new mask or even new hose. A thorough washing and rinsing usually takes care of that. Take a few deep breaths to calm now and relax a bit then contact Resmed and see what they have to say. Your doctor or your DME should have done so rather than let you get so upset and scared and worried.

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