Heated hose or hose cover?

2SleepDeprived · Post by **2SleepDeprived** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:07 pm

I've been using my APAP for less than a week, but my biggest issue has been with rainout. I use a nasal mask, and there have been some very anxiety-ridden moments when I wake up all wet! I've been reading in the forum, and I know that most things are a matter of personal taste. So I'm trying to get the low-down on the best solution for me----a heated hose or a hose cover? The hose cover is cheaper, but I don't want to buy one and discover that the rainout continues......I'm running without humidification at all right now, because even on the lowest setting, was still getting soaked. Help!!! I can already tell that it's going to be way too dry without humidification!

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wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:16 pm

The heated hose is the way to go. Some may say they can go without, but it seems that the conditions that exist in your home definitely call for the heated hose.

sthnreb · Post by **sthnreb** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:57 pm

I don't have a bit of problem with the hose cover and the heated humidifier set on 2 or 3, don't remember which but it uses the whole tank every night. Maybe try wrapping your hose with something (cover is usually flannel) and see if it works before getting the more expensive heated hose. You could also make a hose cover inexpensively.

jennifer31 · Post by **jennifer31** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:33 pm

I have had a heated hose from the begining and i have never had rainout at all. Is your maching low than what your laying? The reason i ask is they told me (supplier) to make sure the machine is lower than your laying level to prevent rainout.

2SleepDeprived · Post by **2SleepDeprived** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:49 pm

The first nite I used my machine, I had not been told to put it lower than me, so it was level and really gave me a bath! I figured out on my own that I probably should put it in the floor. Still got wet, though not as much. So, I turned the humidity down from 3 to 1----with no success. In frustration, I've taken the humidifier off altogether until I can hopefully get some help here!

Snoozie · Post by **Snoozie** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:06 pm

I use a hose cover but still get rainout depending on what mask I use. I never get rainout with the Swift and hose cover, but with Aura/Headrest, I always get rainout, therefore I use it for bypass only. Acutally, with the Aura,I breather easier with it on bypass and no heat. Must be the design. I DO, however, intend to get a heated hose in the near future.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:02 pm

I have the heated hose, and I don't ever know how I went without it. It had been a Godsend. Heated Humidifier on 5 (max) and no rainout, never.

Hope this helps you in your decision.

Jen

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:04 pm

Also, why you are awaiting to make your decision, you can leave the humidifier in line but not on and use it like a passover hunidifier - although not the best way to keep everything moist, it will provide some level of humidity without the rainout.

Jen\NeurosurgeryNP

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:20 pm

The heated hose from http://www.sleepzone.com.au is wonderful!

Darth Vader Look · Post by **Darth Vader Look** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:22 am

Heated hose sounds great but from what I have been reading the typical hose replacement (hoses that came with the machines) are around 1 year. How often would you have to replace this heated hose? Furthermore is there any special cleaning instructions? I assume the actual heating wire is well imbedded in the hose itself.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:07 am

In another thread with the same question, rested gal wrote:

rested gal wrote:damac, the one I have...I've been using every night since October 2004. I recently bought another one, just as a backup, but my 15 month old heated hose is still working like a charm.

You could slosh soapy water inside it, or a vinegar/water solution...or whatever you prefer. The makers advise not to get the outside cover wet. It's easy enough to be sure any cleaning water stays inside - just lift one end, then the other, kinda' like gentle juggling.

Mike Moran had a cool suggestion - put some cleaning solution in, then use a hose connector to connect both ends to each other to make a closed circle of the hose for thorough sloshing.

I rarely (means almost never!) clean my heated hose. What's going through it is vapor from distilled water -- which also keeps the heated humidifier clean, too.

Darth Vader Look · Post by **Darth Vader Look** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:55 am

Thank you guest and rested gal for that. Puts my mind and wallet at ease.

Janelle · Post by **Janelle** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:30 pm

If you use the hose cover, don't forget to get one of the miniwraps available at cpaptubewrap.com. to cover the short hose on your mask. Leaving this exposed to the room air, especially if you like to sleep cool at night) will make a big difference in how the hose wrap affects rainout.

Now, if only someone would come out with a wrap to cover the mask itself if it has a large area like the nasal or full face masks, I think a hose cover set would solve all the problems of rainout at about a 10th the price of a heated hose or even less.

rested gal · Post by **rested gal** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:08 pm

Janelle wrote:If you use the hose cover, don't forget to get one of the miniwraps available at cpaptubewrap.com. to cover the short hose on your mask.
Now, if only someone would come out with a wrap to cover the mask itself if it has a large area like the nasal or full face masks, I think a hose cover set would solve all the problems of rainout at about a 10th the price of a heated hose or even less.

There are mask covers for sale at some online cpap stores. An example at one site that had a list for quite a few masks : "Insulation Cover, Nasal Mask, Mirage Ultra $8.95 "

I went to the site you mentioned, Janelle. A 6 ft hose cover and a short connector hose cover plus shipping come to $23.98. If there were a mask cover too, it would probably be at least the same price as the short hose cover - another $7.00, plus another couple of dollars for the extra item in shipping. Over $30 for a "set" (if there were a whole set of covers, including for the mask.)

The Aussie heated hose (with its own cover) is $89 U.S. dollars, with free shipping from Australia to your door in the U.S. Spend another $20 or less for the adapter at Radio Shack and the total is about $109.

$30 vs $109 -- a $79 difference in dollars, but a priceless difference in controlling rainout as effectively as possible.

We spend a third of our life sleeping....or trying to sleep with all the aggravations cpap equipment can cause. Rainout is one of the major aggravations. A guaranteed waker-upper that we shouldn't have to put up with.

If hose/mask covers control rainout in some people's sleeping environment (and they do in many cases) that's great. But for the surest rainout control of all, it's the Aussie heated hose for me!

Using the Aussie heated hose is kind'a like the difference between driving 200 miles home with a purple ribbon instead of a purple and white.

2SleepDeprived · Post by **2SleepDeprived** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:01 pm

Thanks to everyone for advice and responses. I just ordered a heated hose from sleepzone.com. Can someone please tell me what adapter I need to ask for when I go to Radio Shack? I can't wait to receive it and see what all of you are talking about!!!

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