Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
joeb989
Posts: 14
Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 6:53 am

Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by joeb989 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:25 pm

Here's a quote taken from "The American Psychiatric Publishing Textbook of Psychosomatic Medicine" (2005 edition) on page 890/891:

"Benzodiazepines should be used with caution in patients with compromised respiratory function or seizure disorders. Use in patients with obstructive sleep apnea is potentially fatal. (Dolly and Block 1982)(see Chapter 16, "Sleep Disorders") "


You could find this textbook on Google books.

I'm going to ask my doctor about this. This would explain the great difficulty I had when I had to take Lorazepam.

Has anyone else heard about this warning?

User avatar
Catnap
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:20 pm
Location: Michigan

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by Catnap » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:24 pm

I haven't heard that warning specifically, but benzos often cause sedation, and sedation often causes respiratory depression, which would certainly be one of the last things someone with sleep apnea would want. They also cause central nervous system depression, which can cause respiratory depression, etc. It's also been noted that apnea can be a direct side effect of IV administration of benzodiazepines, so all things considered, "should be used with caution" seems a very reasonable warning, and "potentially fatal" seems logical, as well.

I don't use benzodiazepines, but I do occasionally use hydrocodone, an opioid, due to problems from a spinal injury, and I can say for certain that my AI numbers are higher on the nights I use them, presumably for the same reasons.

_________________
Mask: TAP PAP Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Improved Stability Mouthpiece
Humidifier: HumidAire H4i™ Heated Humidifier
Additional Comments: S8 Elite II, TAP PAP, HumidAireH4i Heated Humidifier

SaltLakeJan
Posts: 776
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by SaltLakeJan » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:42 pm

Hi joe989

Some doctors prescribe Benzodiazepines, as though they were candy. Like Catnap, I hadn't heard that warning, but they are such downers for all your systems, I wouldn't be surprised.

[quote]SIDE EFFECTS: This medication causes drowsiness and dizziness. Avoid tasks requiring alertness. Other side effects may include: stomach upset, blurred vision, headache, confusion, depression, impaired coordination, change in heart rate, trembling, weakness, memory loss, hangover effect (grogginess), dreaming or nightmares. Notify your doctor if you develop: chest pain, change in heart rate, vision changes, yellowing of the eyes or skin. In the unlikely event you have an allergic reaction to this drug, seek medical attention immediately. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include: rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, trouble breathing. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

_________________
Mask: Mirage Quattro™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: Began CPAP 1-16-2009, Pressure=10 cm, Mask, CMS 50Plus Oximeter
Last edited by SaltLakeJan on Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Slinky
Posts: 11387
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:43 pm
Location: Mid-Michigan

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by Slinky » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:55 pm

Valium, Versed, Klonopin, these are all benzodiazapines. Valium and Versed are commonly used for "conscious sedation" for colonoscopies and endoscopies for their amnesia effects.

_________________
Mask: Quattro™ FX Full Face CPAP Mask with Headgear
Additional Comments: PR SystemOne BPAP Auto w/Bi-Flex & Humidifier - EncorePro 2.2 Software - Contec CMS-50D+ Oximeter - Respironics EverFlo Q Concentrator
Women are Angels. And when someone breaks our wings, we simply continue to fly.....on a broomstick. We are flexible like that.
My computer says I need to upgrade my brain to be compatible with its new software.

User avatar
2girlsmom
Posts: 235
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:19 pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by 2girlsmom » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:21 pm

I can say the night after my colonoscopy with versed my AHI was scary high. It was normal the next night. Versed definitely affected my AHI and sleep.

_________________
MaskHumidifier
Additional Comments: CPAP pressure 12.

User avatar
izzyb
Posts: 164
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:06 pm

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by izzyb » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:35 pm

My sleep doctor prescribed me Klonopin for my insomnia. I like it better than Ambian or Ambian CR because after taking them I felt like I had had a frontal lobotomy. I don't feel any side affects from Klonopin. I had my check-up appointment with him yesterday and asked him about the fact that it was a depressant and isn't that bad when you have sleep apnea and he said as long as you were using your mask it wasn't a problem, but it would be if you weren't being treated. Even though I am still more tired than I would like to be, my AHI is low.
izzyb

User avatar
klockemy
Posts: 451
Joined: Mon May 04, 2009 6:57 am
Location: Burlington, NC
Contact:

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by klockemy » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:50 pm

izzyb wrote:My sleep doctor prescribed me Klonopin for my insomnia. I like it better than Ambian or Ambian CR because after taking them I felt like I had had a frontal lobotomy. I don't feel any side affects from Klonopin. I had my check-up appointment with him yesterday and asked him about the fact that it was a depressant and isn't that bad when you have sleep apnea and he said as long as you were using your mask it wasn't a problem, but it would be if you weren't being treated. Even though I am still more tired than I would like to be, my AHI is low.
My doc gave me clonazapam (klonopin) for my occassionaly anxiety attacks and trazedone to help me sleep. I told them I didn't want to be on an addictive sleep aid that left me groggy the next day (lunesta, ambien, sonata) so he suggested this. Rozarem is a sleep aid that is said to help with insomnia, but WAY expensive. Trazedone works great for me and is on the generic formulary list.

_________________
Mask: Mirage Liberty™ Full Face CPAP Mask with Nasal Pillows With Headgear
Humidifier: HumidAire H4i™ Heated Humidifier
Additional Comments: Backup/Travel Machine: ResMed Escape II & H3i H. Humidifier / Backup Mask: F&P FlexiFit 431 / 10.6 cm H20 / EPR @ 2 / No Ramp

User avatar
lebowski8
Posts: 82
Joined: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:50 pm
Location: reading, oh

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by lebowski8 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:53 pm

I'm glad I've got the warning now! I'm glad i'm still alive and kicking. Who knows the risks I'd taken in the several years I had UNDiagnosed OSA. Though I've only been using CPAP for about 60 days now, I've promised myself that I'll never nap without CPAP.
Hoser since April 2009.
Feb 2009: AHI 45.8 | BP 142/97 | SpO2: 78.9%
2016: AHI 0.9 | BP 122/81 | SpO2: 96.5%

Stranger: How things been goin'?
The Dude: Ahh, you know. Ups and downs, strikes and gutters.

User avatar
Hawthorne
Posts: 3973
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:46 am
Location: London Ontario -Canada

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by Hawthorne » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:19 pm

I have taken Lorazepam for 18 years now. I take only 1.5 mg each morning for an atypical migraine condition.

I was daignosed with sleep apnea in 2002, 7 years ago. I still take the small dose of Lorazepam. As I said, I take in the morning with breakfast.

The Sleep Specialist had no problem with it when I was diagnosed. He said the dosage was too small to do anything but it has kept my atypical migraine symptoms under control for 18 years. I have decreased it over the years but never increased the dose and can't get lower than the 1.5 mg without symptoms appearing.

I know it is an addictive drug but, for some situations, there are choices that must be made.

_________________
Machine: DreamStation Auto CPAP Machine
Mask: AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask with Headgear
Humidifier: DreamStation Heated Humidifier
Additional Comments:  Backups- FX Nano masks. Backup machine- Airmini auto travel cpap

User avatar
izzyb
Posts: 164
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:06 pm

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by izzyb » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:21 pm

klockemy, it is good to hear something positive about trazedone because I asked my doc yesterday about it. I had read about it being an antidepressant also and I wanted to try it. I have had a problem with side effects from just about every other antidepressant but thought I would give this a try since it would kill two birds with one stone. So he prescribed it for me to try. I haven't picked it up yet, but can't wait. I am hoping this helps both my problems, but if it doesn't I'll go back to Klonopin since it seems to work pretty good at helping me sleep. It's not perfect. I still wake up earlier than I would like, but it has been the best thing I've tried. The most I've taken at a time is 1 1/2 (I'm not sure if that is mgs or what), but I may start taking 2 since my doctor acts like it is no big deal. Maybe I'll sleep until my alarm goes off then. He also said that there doesn't seem to be much problem with tolerance with it. I hope he is right. My regular doctor told me that Rozeram takes a while to work (I don't remember how long) and she said you can't take anything else at the same time while you are waiting for it to work so I didn't try it. I can't go without sleep for weeks waiting to see if something works.
izzyb

Velbor
Posts: 440
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:50 pm

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by Velbor » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:13 pm

joeb989 wrote:"Benzodiazepines should be used with caution in patients with compromised respiratory function or seizure disorders. Use in patients with obstructive sleep apnea is potentially fatal."
Well, careless talk is careless talk, whether from doctors or not, whether published or not.

Use of virtually ANY medication in virtually ANYONE is potentially fatal, since
a) most medications DO SOMETHING in the body, and
b) most medications DON'T do ONLY ONE THING in the body.

A more prudent statement would have been that use of any respiratory or CNS depressants in UNTREATED patients with OSA is dangerous.

Appropriate use of appropriate medication to improve the sleep of patients with OSA (many of whom have more than just one sleep-related pathology) is .... appropriate.

garyland
Posts: 242
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:08 am

Re: Benzodiazepines Potentially Fatal for OSA Patients

Post by garyland » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:03 pm

Benzos are the worst poison that the medical community has ever created. The withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal and far longer...like 18 months. Stay away from benzos unless you take it like once a month or so.

Gary

_________________
Mask
Additional Comments: I have been on an Xpap since July 2005