S8 auto with humidifier VS PB420E w Humid.

snork1 · Post by **snork1** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:48 pm

wading thru the muck! wrote:
snork1 wrote:But the S8 WITH Humidifier claims to be only 8.4 inches long, which is still shorter by an inch of so than a bare bones Remstar. And shorter than the 420E with humidifier.
(S8 cpap) 5.7" + (H3i) 8.3" = 14" total

The PB with the H2O HH is listed as 11" long

The REMstar is 13.25"

...Looks to me like the ResMed is the longest by .75"

Look more carefully at the H3i humidifier! It OVERLAPS the unit by quite a bit without adding any significant height or width. Verrrrry slick design. So you don't just add the humidifier spec "length" to the unit. According to my DME who checked with the Resmed rep (note my careful disclaimer ) the TOTAL length of the S8 with humidifier is 8.4 inches.
I sure would be interested in having at least one other verification of that number though, by someone with the unit and humidifier in hand.

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:11 pm

wading thru the muck! wrote:
chrisp wrote:That's because water can't be compressed ,yet . Unless some drug compant can invent 'water pills' ... Just add water

:twis ted:

How many gallons does it hold??? ...cause I only want to fill it once a month when the DME delivers my distilled water.

375ml - I am to slow witted at the moment to convert that to gallons
But I am smart enough to know that that is one std can of beer

Cheers

DSM

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:18 pm

snork1 wrote: <snip>
I sure would be interested in having at least one other verification of that number though, by someone with the unit and humidifier in hand.

Having held the little baby in my palm, I am dubious the whole length is 8.3

But I was most surprised the 1st time I saw the unit & am prepared to be surprised again.

375ml is one can of coke (or beer) so it could be possible the squash their h/h up somehow.

Cheers

DSM

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:46 am

Snork1,

I know that I am just going on the limited specs shown on the web, but I'll bet you just about anything that the assembled unit is more than 8.4" I'm not a fan of ResMed machines, so this one will have to raise the bar to gain my admiration

chrisp · Post by **chrisp** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:43 pm

You could use the automatic humidifier tank filler . It holds a gallon of H2O. No need to refill your humidifier tank. Works by gravity I believe .

Don't know if insurance will pay . I guess you could call it a humidifier tank.

Janelle · Post by **Janelle** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:03 pm

I don't understand how the heated hose will make traveling with a 420E easier. That's another electrical outlet, in addition to the one for the APAP unit and one for the humidifier. Try a hose wrap and you'll get nearly the same benefit and won't have to search for another electrical outlet.

While as wonderful as the heated hose might be, I still think it is cost prohibitive when you are retired and/or on a limited budget, and when something that costs $60 less may, most probably will do the trick. I've even seen double-layer hose wraps for sale, and ones that are insulated. Unless you are keeping your humidifier on 5, which I personally find way to warm, and are sleeping in a room that is 30 degrees F, I don't see the need for a heated hose. And if you are still getting rainout, and have a hose to your mask that isn't covered you can get the mini-hose wrap which really takes care of the reduction of temp of the air.

In addition, from what I understand, the heated hose is On or Off, no regulation of temperature, except by the heated humidifier. Unless you get a 6/12 volt plug and then you have the choice of 6 or 12 volt which regulates the temperature some.

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:08 pm

Janelle,

You might have missed that Sleep Zone (the makers of the heated hose) have offered a piggyback adapter that allows you to plug your heated hose into the back of the PB420 machines... no separate power supply required.

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Janelle · Post by **Janelle** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:11 pm

yes, I did miss that.

snork1 · Post by **snork1** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:09 pm

Janelle wrote:yes, I did miss that.

The piggyback feature was a definite plus point for the 420E. I find the heated hose to be indespensible. Maybe its because I live in the always cool and almost damp Northwest, but the hose covers, even double upped were about worthless for me. Maybe if I lived in Arizona or southern California, rainout might not be an issue. I run the humidifier about 2-4 depending on season, mood and few other factors. Just dropping the room to the low 60's-high 50's is enough to get rainout and going without any humidifier was just bad news. I did start wrapping the mask connection hoses and all that, which was getting out of hand and made cleaning the masks a real pain. The heated hose takes care of all that. To ME its not any more of an "optional luxury" than an AutoPAP or a humdifier. And it SHOULD be part of the basic setup and included by whatever means is used to pay for the rest of it. The fact that insurance and even the CPAP companies refuse to acknowledge, must less include the heated hose, is a whole other issue.

Of course we don't see much in the forums about rainout at this time of year and everyone seems to figure "Whats the big deal?". It cracks me up how its like clockwork, come Fall and the weather turning colder, suddenly we will get tons of posts freaking out about gurgling and drippy masks and such. I noticed the Comfort Curve with its integrated non-heated hose came out just as the weather was warming up and everyone was exclaiming how amazing that they designed it to avoid rainout. It will be interesting to see if that holds up when winter hits.