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I'm Mad at All of You

Post by roster » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:06 am

For three years you had me sleeping with this danged machine and mask. Now I will treat apnea the easy way.
Medical Edge: Losing weight best way to treat sleep apnea
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DEAR MAYO CLINIC: I was recently told by my doctor that I have sleep apnea. He said losing weight was my best bet. What does one have to do with the other? Is there anything else I can do?

Sleep apnea, a condition where people stop breathing during sleep, has two forms -- obstructive sleep apnea and central sleep apnea. For obstructive sleep apnea, which is much more common, losing weight will likely improve symptoms.

Other treatment options are available, but your doctor is correct that weight loss usually is the most effective. Successfully treating sleep apnea is important, because you will sleep better and perhaps reduce your risk of heart problems.

Obstructive sleep apnea occurs when the throat muscles relax and block the airway during sleep. Snoring is the condition's most noticeable sign. Anyone can have obstructive sleep apnea, but older adults, men, and people who are overweight most commonly are affected.

Central sleep apnea occurs when the brain doesn't send proper signals to the muscles that control breathing. Losing weight is unlikely to affect central sleep apnea.

Why weight loss improves obstructive sleep apnea is not clear. People often assume that excess weight results in enlargement of the throat structure, which then blocks the airway when you're relaxed during sleep, and that losing weight will shrink the tissues and solve the problem. That may be part of the connection but it's not the whole story.

Excess weight also affects airway function during sleep. Being overweight seems to change the nerve signals from the brain to the airway, causing muscles in the airway to lose tone and become flaccid, which contributes to the obstruction.

Some researchers have suggested that these nerve signal changes may, in part, result from a hormone called leptin that's produced by fat cells. Too much leptin could affect breathing control, predisposing overweight people to obstructive sleep apnea.

Although we don't know exactly why, the bottom line is that a strong association exists between obesity and obstructive sleep apnea.

A major side effect of sleep apnea is fatigue. Because sleep apnea causes you to wake up frequently in order to breathe, you can't get a good night's sleep. In particular, you don't get restorative dream sleep (rapid eye movement or REM sleep). REM sleep is critical because it helps you retain memories and wake up rested and refreshed.

Less obvious complications of sleep apnea involve high blood pressure and other cardiovascular problems. When breathing stops during sleep, blood oxygen levels can become extremely low (called hypoxia or hypoxemia). As a result, blood vessels constrict, significantly raising blood pressure. In about half the people with sleep apnea, this effect carries over into the daytime. Even when they are awake and breathing normally, blood pressure is still elevated, increasing the risk of heart disease and stroke.

In addition, if a person has underlying heart disease, repeated episodes of low blood oxygen may, in rare cases, lead to sudden death from a cardiac event. The more severe the obstructive sleep apnea, the greater the risk of high blood pressure and other cardiovascular complications.

Although losing weight can effectively reduce or eliminate sleep apnea, the process takes time and may not be an option for everyone. Another treatment often used for sleep apnea is a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine. Through a mask placed over the nose during sleep, CPAP supplies air at a slightly higher pressure than the air around you. The elevated pressure is just enough to keep upper airway passages open -- preventing apnea and snoring.

For mild sleep apnea, an oral appliance may be helpful. These devices hold the jaw forward during sleep, reducing airway obstruction.

In some cases, surgery may be an option. Nose or throat surgery for sleep apnea removes excess tissue that may be vibrating and causing your snoring or may be blocking upper air passages and causing the sleep apnea. Although surgery can help reduce snoring, the benefits of surgery in treating apnea vary, and the condition may recur over time. -- Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

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The Mayo clinic said it so I can trust it!

Hmm, my BMI is 23.4, I wonder how low I need to go?

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by ChipChris » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:16 am

Thats where my sleep Doc is. (no kidding, lol)I'm scared.
I'm also at 115 lbs. that's even more scary. I suppose I could try and just lose the weight in my neck and throat.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Wulfman » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:18 am

Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

E-mail a question to medicaledge@mayo.edu or write: Medical Edge from Mayo Clinic, c/o TMS, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y., 14207.
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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Goofproof » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:20 am

A lot of what they say is true, but just loosing weight isn't the answer. Most of us are badly overweight, I am sure we would like not to be, but for many the change to loose the weight isn't going to happen. XPAP treatment is non-invasive, almost painless and works for 95% of the patients that make up their minds to make it work. If I was told that XPAP wasn't medically necessary for me, I would still use it, because I don't want to go back to the way I slept before XPAP. Waking up refreshed and being able to breath well for a couple of hours make it all worth it. Jim
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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Goofproof » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:25 am

ChipChris wrote:Thats where my sleep Doc is. (no kidding, lol)I'm scared.
I'm also at 115 lbs. that's even more scary. I suppose I could try and just lose the weight in my neck and throat.
Maybe get one of those bobblehead neck incerts, after a few monts of trying to hold your head still the muscles in the neck will bulk and firm up, resulting in keeping the airway open. The real test to see if they are strong enough, when you can bite a corncob in half, without your false teeth, you are almost there. Jim
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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by ChipChris » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:29 am

Goofproof wrote:
ChipChris wrote:Thats where my sleep Doc is. (no kidding, lol)I'm scared.
I'm also at 115 lbs. that's even more scary. I suppose I could try and just lose the weight in my neck and throat.
Maybe get one of those bobblehead neck incerts, after a few monts of trying to hold your head still the muscles in the neck will bulk and firm up, resulting in keeping the airway open. The real test to see if they are strong enough, when you can bitr a corncob in half without your false teeth, you are almost there. Jim

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Slinky » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:00 pm

I was beginning to think this Mayo doctor wasn't aware of or hadn't gotten around to studying CPAP therapy yet!!!! Sheesh! Of course, I had a local sleep doc put in writing after my first sleep evaluation that I would do well to lose some weight - when my BMI was 19.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by roster » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:17 pm

Wulfman wrote:
Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

E-mail a question to medicaledge@mayo.edu or write: Medical Edge from Mayo Clinic, c/o TMS, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y., 14207.
Ooooooh.......this is SO tempting............ (slaps hands)

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Den,

You could also register there and post a comment. Go get 'em.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Wulfman » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:19 pm

rooster wrote:
Wulfman wrote:
Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

E-mail a question to medicaledge@mayo.edu or write: Medical Edge from Mayo Clinic, c/o TMS, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y., 14207.
Ooooooh.......this is SO tempting............ (slaps hands)

Den
Den,

You could also register there and post a comment. Go get 'em.

I was actually thinking about an e-mail to that address listed in the article.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by ozij » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:21 pm

rooster wrote:For three years you had me sleeping with this danged machine and mask. Now I will treat apnea the easy way.
The easy way? If you think compliance for cpap is abysmal, wait till you read the research on loosing weight and keeping it off!

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by roster » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:25 pm

Wulfman wrote:
rooster wrote:
Wulfman wrote:
Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

E-mail a question to medicaledge@mayo.edu or write: Medical Edge from Mayo Clinic, c/o TMS, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y., 14207.
Ooooooh.......this is SO tempting............ (slaps hands)

Den
Den,

You could also register there and post a comment. Go get 'em.

I was actually thinking about an e-mail to that address listed in the article.

Den
That would be good. An email might be read by one person. A post to the article might be read by many who see the article. Comments are probably moderated so you need to be tactful.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Wulfman » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:29 pm

rooster wrote:
Wulfman wrote:
rooster wrote:
Wulfman wrote:
Virend Somers, M.D., Ph.D., Cardiovascular Diseases, Mayo Clinic, Rochester.

E-mail a question to medicaledge@mayo.edu or write: Medical Edge from Mayo Clinic, c/o TMS, 2225 Kenmore Ave., Suite 114, Buffalo, N.Y., 14207.
Ooooooh.......this is SO tempting............ (slaps hands)

Den
Den,

You could also register there and post a comment. Go get 'em.

I was actually thinking about an e-mail to that address listed in the article.

Den
That would be good. An email might be read by one person. A post to the article might be read by many who see the article. Comments are probably moderated so you need to be tactful.
How many would actually find/read that article? (other than you and the folks who are reading this thread)

Yeah....."tactful"......that may be harder.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by roster » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:38 pm

Wulfman wrote:.......

Yeah....."tactful"......that may be harder.

Den
Understood. That's why I haven't commented.

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by gasp » Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:44 pm

I'm mad at you too! Why didn't you tell us this a long time ago and I would have quit being so darned conscientious about what I was eating! I want that pumpkin pie I passed on at Thanksgiving and potatoes at Christmas!

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Re: I'm Mad at All of You

Post by Severeena » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:48 pm

There are some of us that are on medications resulting in weight gain and very hard to either get the weight off let alone doing the exercises that go along with the weight loss.

Some of us have other medical conditions putting us on 24/7 O2 and in power or manual chairs to get around.

Don't get mad at us we have other medical problems as well.

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