great page on how to access settings in clinicians menu

mbridget · Post by **mbridget** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:44 pm

I am sure most of you guys know this already - but it may come in handy for someone else.

http://www.cpap-supply.com/Articles.asp?ID=130

Bookbear · Post by **Bookbear** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:46 pm

Excellent, mbridget! Thanks for posting this. It's especially nice for the newbies to have all the major machine families all in one document. (Can you imagine the conniptions this would cause on that other apnea forum??

mbridget · Post by **mbridget** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:55 pm

I a newbie too - -in fact I am such a newbie that:
1. I didn't realize that posting this was coniption worthy.
2. I don't know what the other Cpap talk site is.

THE HARD TRUTH · Post by **THE HARD TRUTH** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:36 am

I think that a lot of the pro CPAP ,surgery and dental apnea appliance providers have tried to post on this blog because,lets face some facts here.We all know that we are dying of slow motion suicide with out treatment. And the bottom line from the heath care providers is MONEY ! They make the process for treatment to long ,to expensive and you have to jump through hoops to resove the problem.The doctors are in bed with the companies that make the equipment. What was the first thing that your doctor did after you first polysomnigraph.They signed you up for that worth less air compressor that fails 60% of the time and are making thousands of $ from the insurance companies. That is if you are fortunate to have insurance. The CPAP providers try to make you think that you are the problem. You must adapt to the CPAP, not the other way around.Lets look at the reasons that CPAP fails. The setting on the machine should be set to a standard that every patient can under stand, Like PSI not liters of H2O. My setting was 11 but I had to put 50 LBS of force on my straps just to keep tha mask on. Then there is the the breathing against the incomming pressure problem. It's like breating into a baloon all night long.You have to force the air out of your longs and it screws up your natural rythem. I am a jet aircraft mechanic in the air force and I know alot about the oxygen delivery sytem for the pilots.His oxygen regulator regulates how he breaths in and how he breaths out, It's perfictly natural. So why even try CPAP in the first place so you have to waiste 3 months proving that it dosn't work. They ought to quit making that damn thing and if they want to use positive pressure use a bipap.Then they have you again,the bipap costs twice as much as the CPAP.Then if that dosn't work then they want you to have surgery or a dental applience. I had a humidifed Fisher and Paykel and I have rhinitus. I cranked the setting on the CPAP to the max and with a room humidifier and my nose blocked completly off in 4 minutes.Then I went surching for a dentist to make me the device. The first dentist wanted $3,400 up front and the second one wanted $1,900 up front.So what did I do then. I made my own from 2 football mouth guards.It did work but you could not adjust the forward position of the jaw. Our problem is as simple as it is deadly.It's mechanical. And it's not rocket science. I have been working on solutions for 6 month's and now I have found one AND IT CALLED PURE SLEEP.iT WORKS AS GOOD AS A $3,400 DENTIST RIP OFF. Since the doctors know that we are dying to sleep why are they putting profits ahead of our health.enough is enough

vanbsnepdx · Post by **vanbsnepdx** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:16 am

thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!

Bookbear · Post by **Bookbear** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:32 am

mbridget wrote:I a newbie too

Welcome!

1. I didn't realize that posting this was coniption worthy.

Heeheehee.. they refer to us as 'the Wild West' when they are being polite. We are regarded as dangerous, and something close to felons for changing our pressures or accessing the clinician's menu, or (gasp) complaining about doctors who don't seem to know as much about apnea and cpaps as we do.

2. I don't know what the other Cpap talk site is.

The American Sleep Apnea Association's forum, at: http://www.apneasupport.org

Don't mistake me... there is some good information there, and some good people. But they seem to be content to be passive... to wait, to not question, to accept. Sadly, most doctors and nearly all insurance companies LIKE passive patients. We, on the other paw, tend to be activists, and are willing to be full participants in our treatment. We dig, we read, we ask questions, and above all, we share information and our experiences. We are NOT doctors and do not pretend to be. We ARE active, participating patients who are often frustrated by the medical and insurance professions unwillingness to work WITH us as patients in sensible, logical ways.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:51 am

There are several places on the Internet that have the "Setup" instructions listed. We've also posted the instructions repeatedly on this forum when folks ask for them (because some of us have them squirreled away on our computers).....along with the links to the other sites.

The DMEs are generally warned to remove those Setup instructions before giving the machines to the people who are purchasing them. In my opinion, if you're buying the machine, you should have all of the instructions to them, too. After all, it's YOURS and YOU paid for it.

Unfortunately, the other forums are being supported by the manufacturers and don't wish to cross that line. They're also very restrictive on allowing suggestions for improving peoples' therapy......choosing to have the forum members repeat the line "Go back and ask your doctor". Sadly, it's usually the (clueless) medical professionals who set them up for failure in the first place.

Welcome to the forum! You've found the BEST one.

Den

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:07 am

When you buy a car, does the dealer not give you the keys! The car is by far more dangerous for the owner and his fellow users. The nerve of the self centered people in the medical profession, and their co-conspirators. Jim

carbonman · Post by **carbonman** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:15 pm

Bookbear wrote:
Heeheehee.. they refer to us as 'the Wild West' when they are being polite. We are regarded as dangerous, and something close to felons for changing our pressures or accessing the clinician's menu, or (gasp) complaining about doctors who don't seem to know as much about apnea and cpaps as we do.

...also been labled "yahoos", for being
opinionated,
hyper-critical and
down right cantankerous about our equipment......

I am....proud to be a member of the

Sisters & Brothers of the Yahoo Hoserhood

If you keep hanging around here, you will be too......
don't say you haven't been warned.

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