Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

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Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by kenm001 » Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:10 pm

Hello, I recently did a home sleep study with a WatchPAT ONE device through Lofta and was diagnosed with mild sleep apnea (low AHI, RDI = 9.7, and REM RDI = 20.4). CPAP treatment was prescribed but I am unsure about the benefits given my low AHI. What is the significance of the REM RDI? I do usually wake up not feeling well-rested and sometimes experience moderate to severe daytime drowsiness. I am a 20 year old male with a BMI of 21.7. I would appreciate any help with interpreting the results from the test. I have attached the report. Thank you for your help!
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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by Rubicon » Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:01 am

I don't think you have anything and need to look elsewhere for your issues.
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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by ozij » Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:06 am

Trust Rubicon.
I'm deleting what I wrote.

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by Rubicon » Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:13 am

ozij wrote:
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Trust Rubicon.
I'm deleting what I wrote.
What, aren't you going to ask why?
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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by ozij » Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:34 am

I'd love to know why!

Why?

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by Rubicon » Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:13 pm

It isn't RDI, it's pRDI- PAT events that with other criteria are used to score respiratory events. Oxygen desaturations are minimal (perhaps not even valid). If there were pulse events, in a 20 year old they would be about 6-10, not 40-50.

See the area where most of the issues are claimed to occur:

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That's scored artifact, but that area is probably all artifact. Doubt this was reviewed by a qualified (or even unqualified) individual.

IMO - Train Wreck Sleeper.
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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by ozij » Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:15 pm

OK, I get it that PAT RDI can't be treated like EEG RDI.
But what about the snores during that period?

And I don't understand what numbers you're referring to in the following sentence
Rubicon wrote:
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If there were pulse events, in a 20 year old they would be about 6-10, not 40-50.
Namely: What do you call a "pulse event" and what does the 6-10 vs. 40-50 refer to?

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by Rubicon » Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:33 pm

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A pulse event would be an increase in heart rate usually >6 BPM. HR increases follow respiratory events (sympathetic/parasympathetic response and now you have some extra blood to move). In practice, they're like 6-10, as seen in the validated WatchPAT report.

The OP HR increases are 50-60! Undoubtedly motion artifact.

Real snores are much tighter, but IMO that whole area is jumping around-- the snores are artifact as well.

Are we to believe the scored REM is real?

Well, maybe some of it...
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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by ozij » Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:58 pm

Thanks, Rubicon!

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by kenm001 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:44 pm

Thank you for the information! Do you have any ideas as to next steps/ possibilities I might look into if it's not sleep apnea?

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Re: Help with Interpreting my WatchPAT ONE results

Post by Rubicon » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:40 am

Sure!

Start out with a complete physical by a good internal medicine guy (gender-neutral).

If they (gender-neutral) think you have a sleep issue, see a real sleep medicine guy (gender-neutral).
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