AHI, Useless?

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AHI, Useless?

Post by Mikesus » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:22 am

THE APNEA-HYPOPNEA INDEX: USEFUL OR USELESS?
ATLANTA—The apnea-hypopnea index (AHI) is useless for measuring the severity of sleep-disordered breathing (SDB), says Colin E. Sullivan, MD, PhD. He presented arguments in support of that statement in a pro/con debate at the recent annual meeting of the American Thoracic Society in Atlanta.[1] Offering the opposing view was David M. Rapoport, MD, who maintained that the AHI does have its place in clinical practice.

“There is not much association between the AHI and anything else—sleepiness, muscle dysfunction,” or other markers for SDB, claimed Dr. Sullivan, who heads the Sleep Disorders Unit at the University of Sydney in Australia. The management of SDB should hinge on the history, physical examination, and clinical judgment, he asserted.

LIMITATIONS OF THE AHI

The lack of a standard definition for hypopnea is another limitation of the AHI, he said. Furthermore, measuring hypopnea is difficult because of the inaccuracy of the devices currently available to monitor patients’ airflow during sleep.

For example, thermistors do not actually detect airflow but the passage of hot air, Dr. Sullivan explained. Even pressure transducers, which do measure airflow, have only limited ability to detect changes in breathing, he noted.

The AHI can mislead physicians about the severity of SDB, Dr. Sullivan added. At certain points in the menstrual cycle, for example, women with SDB may respond to apnea with a large rise in blood pressure (BP) rather than in the AHI. Catastrophic BP elevations with no change in the AHI were even observed during sleep apnea in a woman with preeclampsia.

In infants and children, apnea usually manifests as partial upper airway obstruction; breathing is loaded even though the AHI is very low. In these groups, the AHI is “unequivocally the wrong metric” of SDB, Dr. Sullivan stated.

What alternatives are there to the AHI? “Hypertension is a good start,” said Dr. Sullivan. It has long been known that BP rises in obstructive sleep apnea, he related.

Researchers are also evaluating the usefulness of measuring fibrinogen concentrations, which are often elevated in the morning in patients with SDB. Others are looking at sleep apnea–induced changes in the levels of circulating and cellular mediators and in cellular adhesion molecules.

Probably the best indicator of SDB, however, is simply the response to continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) treatment. “It really is a no-brainer,” Dr. Sullivan remarked, pointing out that CPAP administration is especially easy with the newer devices that automatically set the appropriate amount of positive pressure.

IMPERFECT BUT USEFUL

The AHI may not be perfect, but it is useful, argued Dr. Rapoport. No one has devised anything better for distinguishing people with and without obstructive sleep apnea, pointed out Dr. Rapoport, Medical Director of the Sleep Disorders Center at New York University School of Medicine in New York City.

Furthermore, efforts have been made to improve the AHI. The American Academy of Sleep Medicine has recently attempted to standardize the index, for example, and work has begun to define its normal range.

Also, AHI values correlate with symptoms of SDB. “[The correlation] is mediocre perhaps, but it is not absent,” stated Dr. Rapoport, countering Dr. Sullivan’s earlier assertion.

Because the AHI is imperfect, Dr. Rapoport views it as a marker for the apnea-hypopnea syndrome and not as a definitive metric. He has found the AHI most useful for detecting severe apnea-hypopnea syndrome.

He defines severe cases as those with an AHI of 30 to 50 events per hour or greater. “This is definitely bad … and I want to treat it,” he stressed. Obstructive sleep apnea symptoms are also likely to be severe enough to warrant treatment in patients with an AHI of about 20 per hour; SDB can probably be ruled out at an AHI of about 10 per hour.

Dr. Rapoport cautioned against over-interpreting the “gray zone” between AHIs of 10 and 20 per hour. “I do not quite know what that means,” he acknowledged.

—Timothy Begany

Reference
1. Sullivan CE, Rapoport DM. The apnea-hypopnea index is a useless metric of sleep disordered breathing: pro-con. Presented at: Annual Meeting of the American Thoracic Society; May 21, 2002; Atlanta, Ga
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Post by Liam1965 » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:36 am

Hmmm. I really don't like reading this, because it seriously implies that if I don't have hypertension (high blood pressure), then I don't really have apnea, and I don't have hypertension. My BP is usually in the 115-120 / 65-75 range.

What's the general impression: If your BP isn't high, do you still see some benefits from the CPAP in terms of better sleep, more energy, less "foggy-headedness", etc?

So far, I'm not seeing many benefits, but then as I've also mentioned elsewhere, I'm still not really able to sleep particularly well with it on.

Liam, fuzzy headed, but that's because he needs to shave his head again.

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:42 am

Probably the best indicator of SDB, however, is simply the response to continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) treatment. “It really is a no-brainer,” Dr. Sullivan remarked, pointing out that CPAP administration is especially easy with the newer devices that automatically set the appropriate amount of positive pressure.
Another "feather in the cap" of the APAP.
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Post by Mikesus » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:49 am

The point of the article is that very high AHI is a good indicator, but when you get into the lower numbers other factors need to be considered. Guess you could call that the gray area of Sleep Apnea.

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:52 am

Mike,

I'm VERY interested in the suggested concept of measuring blood pressure as a way of monitoring SBD. I don't think that is something they even look at during a PSG.
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Post by Mikesus » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:00 am

Well, I think that BP is one possible indicator, but I have a feeling that they will have trouble measuring it quickly enough in a patient that is borderline. (i.e. few events, bp rises in a shorter period than it takes to measure it)

Like I said before, I think the answer lies in the middle somewhere...

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:20 am

Mike,

When I talked to the Respironics Rep at the AWAKE meeting about the Sleep-Link modem and the pulse oximetry option I asked what the frequency of the O2 data collection was. He said once every 3 seconds. Do you know if there is a way to collect BP data on theis kind of frequency. I agree that the changes are most likely much more subtle than can be measures with spot checks here and there.
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Post by Mikesus » Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:22 am

I don't think there is with standard equipment. (think how long the bp cuff takes to inflate and deflate) With BP it is more like minutes...

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Post by Sleeping With The Enemy » Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:21 am

I don't have hypertension but there is a very strong history of HTN in my family, all five of my brothers are on medication and my mother also had HTN.

My AHI was 67.2 in my sleep study. I was there from 10:30 p.m., until 5:30 a.m. They put me on CPAP at 1 a.m. titrated me to 8 decreasing AHI to 0.6 and I guess improving my sleep. I was in stage 1 37.2% Stage 2 39.7% stage 3/4 23.1% and no REM.

So I guess I really do have OSA.

I started treatment on January 25, I think and I feel a little better, but afternoons are still pretty bad. I have never been a napper. I almost feel like I had more energy before I knew I had OSA. It seems like I have become lazier since November when I became very depressed, which turned out to be the OSA, most likely.

I'm just hanging in there hoping things are going to get better....I do know I'm dreaming again so I guess I'm in REM.

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Post by -SWS » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:19 pm

wading thru the muck! wrote:When I talked to the Respironics Rep at the AWAKE meeting about the Sleep-Link modem and the pulse oximetry option I asked what the frequency of the O2 data collection was. He said once every 3 seconds.
Wader, I could be wrong BIG TIME (as I often am ), but I was under the impression that decent recording pulse oximeters sample much more frequently than that. Yet they average those extremely frequent SPO2 readings on the order of every 3, 4, or 8 seconds depending on either pulse oximeter capabilities and/or settings.

Anybody know for sure one way or the other?
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BP?

Post by glassgal at work » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:20 pm

Hi guys,

I have a quick comment to make regarding BP and apnea. I have been taking blood pressure meds for years (probably had apnea that long too), and my guess is that most of the folks that have high BP are also on meds. The effectiveness (or not) of the meds will have an effect on the data collected in regards to the BP. Maybe not such a good thing to measure for? Most folks would hesitate to go off BP meds for their sleep study, nor can I see sleep labs want to recommend something that could result in a stroke or heart attack if discontinued from a legal standpoint.

I am not in the gray zone anyway, with an AHI of 78, and my desaturations were significant also, so there is no questions in my mind that the diagnosis of severe OSA is correct. The only quibble that I had was with the titrated pressure, which I have solved with an auto (PB420E).

Just my two cents!

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Post by Guest » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:36 am

mike, your article is very helpful.

I have always wondered about the endpoint of the treatment. I guess now I would be quite happy to see the API <10.

I think my blood pressure improve significantly after the cpap.

Please post more important articles like above. They help with me making difficult decisions on fine tuning my treatment.

One silly obsessed person recently was going for further study with API of 6.