Me and My AirSense Now with screenshots!

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Me and My AirSense Now with screenshots!

Post by zonker » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm

i started on my new airsense 10 autoset for her this past wednesday night and firgured i'd put up some thoughts about transitioning from my previous machine.

first off-yeah, i know. i haven't change my equipment profile yet. i want to wait until i'm sure this is my "forever" machine first.

not that i have any reason to feel it won't be.

i didn't take to it right away. i had a "lapse of intelligence" when i went in to do the setup. it was the easiest thing that gave me the most difficulty! i wanted to turn off the ramp and i ASSUMED that would be in the clinician's menu. i kept trying and trying. finally broke down in looked at my FINE manual and set it per instructions. :oops:

just for grins, i have it set to the "for her" mode. i'll prolly try the other mode too, just for comparison.

i set it up to mirror my previous pressures, with a slight uptick of bottom pressure at 9.6. that was just fat fingering on my part as i'm usually at 9.5. then set epr at 3.

well! i slept very fitfully. finally at about 3 am, i turned off epr and that was a little better. i dunno; i'm not real comfortable with epr. i know it helps a lot of people but it just seems to make it HARDER for me to breathe.

the next night wasn't really good either. for some reason, the airsense feels like it's more "powerful" in it's pressure that the resperonics. i turned pressure down to 9 and again, felt better.

now i'm thinking my humidifier is too high so will set that at 1 for tonight. too much dry throat last night.

so as you can see, lots of tweaking. and i'm sure there will be more to come.

one question i have for my fellow air sense users...i don't have this set up as auto on and off. just haven't done that yet. so i notice when i turn this on, it's very responsive getting up to speed very quickly. and when i shut it off, it drops immediately.

except, it still sends out a slight stream of air after i turn it off. it eventually stops. but is this typical for this machine?
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:08 pm

The slight stream is cool down or hose drying--
Auto on works right off, but does not work quickly enough to my taste.
Nice to have anyway.

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by palerider » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:31 pm

zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
just for grins, i have it set to the "for her" mode.
Next up, Zonker in frilly underthings.
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
pressure at 9.6. that was just fat fingering on my part as i'm usually at 9.5. then set epr at 3.
The Resmed sets in 0.2 increments, Respironics 0.5
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
set it up to mirror my previous pressures, with a slight uptick of bottom well! i slept very fitfully. finally at about 3 am, i turned off epr and that was a little better. i dunno; i'm not real comfortable with epr. i know it helps a lot of people but it just seems to make it HARDER for me to breathe.
EPR 3 dropped your base pressure to 6.6, which is somewhat lower than you're used to with the respironics. If you want to do EPR 3, then set your min pressure to 12, and that'll give you about the same minimum pressure you had before.
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
one question i have for my fellow air sense users...i don't have this set up as auto on and off. just haven't done that yet. so i notice when i turn this on, it's very responsive getting up to speed very quickly. and when i shut it off, it drops immediately.

except, it still sends out a slight stream of air after i turn it off. it eventually stops. but is this typical for this machine?
Resmed has a 'soft start' where it eases up to pressure over a few seconds time, instead of just coming on *WHAP* full like respironics do.

Smartstart is also far more responsive than auto on/off on the respironics. Just one inhale, and then it shuts off in a few seconds after taking off the mask.

Chunky already correctly identified the cooldown function.

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by zonker » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:32 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:08 pm
The slight stream is cool down or hose drying--
Auto on works right off, but does not work quickly enough to my taste.
Nice to have anyway.

oh, yeah....i saw the cool down on the screen but didn't make the connection.

thanks!
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by djams » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:08 pm

zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
one question i have for my fellow air sense users...i don't have this set up as auto on and off. just haven't done that yet.
I like it, just put the mask on and the airsense says "hello" by providing air. When I have middle of the night bathroom run, I disconnect the hose from the mask elbow and lay it on the night stand. In about 3 seconds, it turns off(it blows air the entire 3 seconds). Sometimes this shows up as a big leak in SH, other times it doesn't. It isn't long enough to qualify for a LL event. Because of this I have a set scale on my SH leak chart(0-40) - otherwise, I can't see the details. I can't say why it's only sometimes. That's a headscratcher.

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by Pugsy » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:17 pm

Word of warning about ResMed and some masks (seems especially the nasal pillows like the P10)...if your pressures tend to be on the low side..like 7 or less and you use nasal pillows the auto on part of SmartStart will probably work fine but the auto off part may not work so great. This is a known issue with ResMed and some pressures and some masks. It just doesn't get it right that we have taken the mask off and it won't shut off no matter how long we let it blow. So don't freak out if that happens.

It's been an issue with every AirSense/AirCurve machine I have had when I use the lower pressures. Auto one works great. Auto off doesn't work at all.

If it's inconvenient or difficult to reach over an turn the machine off manually just unhook the mask short hose from the long hose and it will turn off by itself. There's something with the resistance of the P10 (and some other pillow masks) that confuses the machine and it can't sense the human is no longer attached.

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by zonker » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:22 am

palerider wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:31 pm
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
just for grins, i have it set to the "for her" mode.
Next up, Zonker in frilly underthings.
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
pressure at 9.6. that was just fat fingering on my part as i'm usually at 9.5. then set epr at 3.
The Resmed sets in 0.2 increments, Respironics 0.5

set it up to mirror my previous pressures, with a slight uptick of bottom well! i slept very fitfully. finally at about 3 am, i turned off epr and that was a little better. i dunno; i'm not real comfortable with epr. i know it helps a lot of people but it just seems to make it HARDER for me to breathe.
EPR 3 dropped your base pressure to 6.6, which is somewhat lower than you're used to with the respironics. If you want to do EPR 3, then set your min pressure to 12, and that'll give you about the same minimum pressure you had before.
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
one question i have for my fellow air sense users...i don't have this set up as auto on and off. just haven't done that yet. so i notice when i turn this on, it's very responsive getting up to speed very quickly. and when i shut it off, it drops immediately.

except, it still sends out a slight stream of air after i turn it off. it eventually stops. but is this typical for this machine?
Resmed has a 'soft start' where it eases up to pressure over a few seconds time, instead of just coming on *WHAP* full like respironics do.

Smartstart is also far more responsive than auto on/off on the respironics. Just one inhale, and then it shuts off in a few seconds after taking off the mask.

Chunky already correctly identified the cooldown function.
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get that video camera outa my bedroom!!!

oh. hadn't looked closely at the increments and had (wrongly) assumed .1 increments. good to know, thanks.

you say-"EPR 3 dropped your base pressure to 6.6, which is somewhat lower than you're used to with the respironics. If you want to do EPR 3, then set your min pressure to 12, and that'll give you about the same minimum pressure you had before."

okay, i kind of understand that, but not fully. so for every epr "tick", it's a drop of pressure by 1. that makes 3 as 3 points drop, 2 for 2 points drop and 1 for one point drop. if i set epr at one and minimum pressure 9.6, then pressure will drop to 8.6, right? if i'm wrong, please take the time to explain WHY i'm wrong.

and i still feel like i'm missing something. the pressure drops ONLY during exhale, right?
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by zonker » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:25 am

djams wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:08 pm
zonker wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:59 pm
one question i have for my fellow air sense users...i don't have this set up as auto on and off. just haven't done that yet.
I like it, just put the mask on and the airsense says "hello" by providing air. When I have middle of the night bathroom run, I disconnect the hose from the mask elbow and lay it on the night stand. In about 3 seconds, it turns off(it blows air the entire 3 seconds). Sometimes this shows up as a big leak in SH, other times it doesn't. It isn't long enough to qualify for a LL event. Because of this I have a set scale on my SH leak chart(0-40) - otherwise, I can't see the details. I can't say why it's only sometimes. That's a headscratcher.
i may never actually set up auto on and off. on my previous machine, the auto off wouldn't work and i just got used to turning it off for the bathroom trip. but it would be kind of handy.

one thing that i don't have to mess with on the p10 is mask removal and rejoining. it's dead easy both on and off!
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by zonker » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:29 am

Pugsy wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:17 pm
Word of warning about ResMed and some masks (seems especially the nasal pillows like the P10)...if your pressures tend to be on the low side..like 7 or less and you use nasal pillows the auto on part of SmartStart will probably work fine but the auto off part may not work so great. This is a known issue with ResMed and some pressures and some masks. It just doesn't get it right that we have taken the mask off and it won't shut off no matter how long we let it blow. So don't freak out if that happens.

It's been an issue with every AirSense/AirCurve machine I have had when I use the lower pressures. Auto one works great. Auto off doesn't work at all.

If it's inconvenient or difficult to reach over an turn the machine off manually just unhook the mask short hose from the long hose and it will turn off by itself. There's something with the resistance of the P10 (and some other pillow masks) that confuses the machine and it can't sense the human is no longer attached.
you know, it just dawned on me. some of the things we say here wouldn't make a lick of sense if we spoke to people who didn't know about cpap! :lol:

well, now you have me curious and will see if my low pressure of 9 in combo with auto on/off will work properly.

it also just dawned on me...how in the HELL do you keep track of all this diverse information?
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by palerider » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:38 am

zonker wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:22 am
okay, i kind of understand that, but not fully. so for every epr "tick", it's a drop of pressure by 1. that makes 3 as 3 points drop, 2 for 2 points drop and 1 for one point drop. if i set epr at one and minimum pressure 9.6, then pressure will drop to 8.6, right? if i'm wrong, please take the time to explain WHY i'm wrong.

and i still feel like i'm missing something. the pressure drops ONLY during exhale, right?
You're not wrong. so 9.6 with epr of 3 drops the pressure to 6.6.

The pressure drops *when you're not inhaling*... which is subtly different than "ONLY during exhale".

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by zonker » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:46 am

palerider wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:38 am
zonker wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:22 am
okay, i kind of understand that, but not fully. so for every epr "tick", it's a drop of pressure by 1. that makes 3 as 3 points drop, 2 for 2 points drop and 1 for one point drop. if i set epr at one and minimum pressure 9.6, then pressure will drop to 8.6, right? if i'm wrong, please take the time to explain WHY i'm wrong.

and i still feel like i'm missing something. the pressure drops ONLY during exhale, right?
You're not wrong. so 9.6 with epr of 3 drops the pressure to 6.6.

The pressure drops *when you're not inhaling*... which is subtly different than "ONLY during exhale".

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light bulb moment!!! :lol: no truly, i see the subtle difference and it makes total sense.

thanks for the explanation.
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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by Pugsy » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:18 pm

zonker wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:29 am
it also just dawned on me...how in the HELL do you keep track of all this diverse information?
Good question...beats the hell out of me. I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday sometimes. :lol: :lol:

Mainly it's years of experience doing something I find interesting and useful. When it's important to me or I actually sort through a problem myself I can remember it more easily. Not always but usually.

Remember I have had 9 plus years to get a handle on this stuff.

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:36 pm

I have always been a trivia freak.
It is a curse . . .

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by djams » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:02 pm

zonker wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:22 am
palerider wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:31 pm
Next up, Zonker in frilly underthings.
get that video camera outa my bedroom!!!
I don't think he'll do that. Pulling down a good admission fee over at zonkerafterdark.com, and there's a lot of interest. :)

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Re: Me and My AirSense

Post by lliann » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:26 pm

i see you used lapses of intelligence 3 years before me. gmta, lol

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