Healthy person on APAP - what would happen?

jnk... wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 9:05 pm

OTC meds can do you dangerous harm with their side-effects, even when you need their benefits.

On the other hand, CPAP machines aren't like that at all. They are harmless, unless you drop one on your toe.

Slightly pressurized air is just as harmless as non-pressurized air.

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While CPAP is very safe, it does not come with zero risks. No medical intervention does.

For instance, the risk of a CPAP borne infection is not zero. There is also a risk of CPAP-induced Central Apnea, and it might be possible that this could happen in somebody who tests completely negative for any variety of SDB.

D.H. wrote: ↑

Mon May 21, 2018 10:37 am

jnk... wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 9:05 pm

OTC meds can do you dangerous harm with their side-effects, even when you need their benefits.

On the other hand, CPAP machines aren't like that at all. They are harmless, unless you drop one on your toe.

Slightly pressurized air is just as harmless as non-pressurized air.

. . .

While CPAP is very safe, it does not come with zero risks. No medical intervention does.

For instance, the risk of a CPAP borne infection is not zero. There is also a risk of CPAP-induced Central Apnea, and it might be possible that this could happen in somebody who tests completely negative for any variety of SDB.

Just like anybody living and breathing on this planet, I would like to watch your mind work, but I get dizzy easily. Jim

Waking up in the morning has "risk."

The risk of airborne infection is more likely breathing without a machine than breathing with one.

Pressure-induced centrals are harmless themselves.

OTOH, aspirin can kill. So can reactions to other OTC medications.

But I fully respect your right to have the sort of opinions you expressed.

Everything in life has risks.

My stepson was walking in the break room at his work one day and trip over his own feet and fell and broke his neck and died on the spot. Even walking has risks....doesn't mean we stop walking.

I wasn't there, but respected industry leader Peter Farrell was once quoted as saying: "CPAP is as dangerous as a bowl of cereal; the only way you can get hurt by one is if someone picks the d**n thing off the nightstand and hits you over the head with it." -- viewtopic/t2204/Comments-from-Peter-Far ... cture.html

And here's an even better quote from someone I respect even more than I respect Farrell: "Inappropriate CPAP is harmless. Untreated sleep apnea kills." -- Dr. Barbara Phillips, MD, MHSP. -- viewtopic/t9745/How-can-I-change-the-pr ... =15#p84228

She's the real deal, too: https://ukhealthcare.uky.edu/physicians ... a-phillips

Remember, the definitions of who "has" OSA and who doesn't are definitions based on who can get their trial of it paid for by the payers. It is NOT a definition of who could benefit from CPAP.

Many who only occasionally snore could have their lives greatly improved by CPAP.

And if machines were sold OTC in the pharmacy sections of Target, right there in between the room humidifiers and Vicks vaporizers, I would consider the CPAP machines the safest equipment on those shelves.

So, what would happen if so-called "healthy" people were on CPAP/APAP? The roads would be a lot safer, with fewer sleepy people crashing and killing one another on the roads. That's what would happen. Even if pressure never rose a cm for the majority of the ones on APAP.

+ a million, jeff.

Just sleeping in a bed is a risk. Last week, my elderly cat jumped onto the bed, landed on my leg, and used it for traction to keep from falling off the bed. Three huge scratches.

The risk is worth it.

zoocrewphoto wrote: ↑

Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 am

Just sleeping in a bed is a risk. Last week, my elderly cat jumped onto the bed, landed on my leg, and used it for traction to keep from falling off the bed. Three huge scratches.

The risk is worth it.

Cats in dragon suits can be worse than flying monkeys.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed May 23, 2018 7:01 am

Cats in dragon suits can be worse than flying monkeys.

We just about had a cat in a flying monkey suit at our house last night.
Ruthie, who never pays any attention to me until I go to bed, decided she wanted to grace me with her loving attention at 3 AM this morning and that included little love bites near my arm pit on the underside where it is really tender. She just about went flying across the bedroom. Why she thinks the best time to show her love is at 3 AM is beyond me. It's not food because there is always food available. She just wants to rub on me and purr and give me love bites....and those little bites hurt under my arm.
Not really appreciated at 3 AM.

Pugsy wrote: ↑

Wed May 23, 2018 7:19 am

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed May 23, 2018 7:01 am

Cats in dragon suits can be worse than flying monkeys.

We just about had a cat in a flying monkey suit at our house last night.
Ruthie, who never pays any attention to me until I go to bed, decided she wanted to grace me with her loving attention at 3 AM this morning and that included little love bites near my arm pit on the underside where it is really tender. She just about went flying across the bedroom. Why she thinks the best time to show her love is at 3 AM is beyond me. It's not food because there is always food available. She just wants to rub on me and purr and give me love bites....and those little bites hurt under my arm.
Not really appreciated at 3 AM.

I know what you mean. The cat who jumped on my leg (not the cat in the dragon costume) is a 14 year old cat with arthritis. He is more cuddly these days. A couple months ago, he decided to lick the inside of my arm, almost at the arm pit, while I was asleep. The first time, I jerked awake. I dozed off again, and he did it AGAIN. I'm not sure who was more shocked. Me, or him. I jumped big time, and he jumped because I jumped. I don't think that was the reaction he was hoping for. Usually, he just puts his face and whiskers in my face and makes cute sounds.

It would be interesting to know if the cats were noticing changes in your breathing patterns during your sleep and were just trying to be helpful.

Not that I think them incapable of having an evil sense of humor. But still.

A healthy person ? a healthy person is the most unpredictable animal.

Please let us know what happened to that person. Don't have many of them here, just curious.

AND why are there so many cats around here ? Is there a nest ? are they on CPAP ???

They exist because we apparently need reminding that there are lower lifeforms than ourselves... lower as we see it. After thousands of yrs of being 'smarter' than all other species (suuuure we are) we still haven't even figured them out!

I've never known a cat that considered himself or herself a lower life form compared to anyone or anything.

I read a legend somewhere that said that cats were put on earth to remind humans that humans aren't gods, since the way dogs treat humans tends to give some humans the wrong impression on that.

As for the "healthy person," I consider myself to be one, as long as I keep using PAP.

As for allowing our cats to participate in this forum, my experience with my dad's cat is that they tend to do better with touch-screen interfaces, since otherwise they tend to get distracted by the mouse.

ShadowGallery wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 3:13 pm

what would happen if you put a healthy person on an APAP, 4 to 20 cmH2O?

He would throw the machine at you and kick you out of his apartment.