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Safer this year to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan than to go to high school. America!

USMCVet wrote: ↑

Sat May 19, 2018 11:36 pm

First of all thoughts and prayers and to the families and loved ones of those injured and those who have been effected by this tragedy.

All of you who make this political and about firearms shame on you for pushing an agenda.

You're an idiot as well.

You have the right to free speech. You have the right to disagree with the 2nd amendment.

I have the right to say your an idiot if you think you can dictate which rights are worth having and which ones you don't care for.

Fact is a right is a right. If you feel the 2nd amendment should be gone I feel your 1st amendment right should be stripped from you.


Let's focus on sentencing laws laws to keep dangerous people off the streets.

How do you explain law enforcement not following through on people reporting these mass shooters before the shootings happen?

If anyone refuses to have an actual adult conversation on an issue then your an idiot and I don't care to talk with you. If you want to talk facts and are open to different opinions then let's talk. I can be swayed myself.

Well said!!
Sheriff

Can someone please, please explain to me how anyone can go on using deaths of children to go on being defensive about guns? Do you seriously not hear yourselves?

This is an example of why Trump was elected. Thank goodness he is keeping his promises and getting things done. The country is tired of the politicians doing exactly what they are doing now while our children are being killed.... nothing. Shame on you liberals making this political instead of protecting our children.

Sheriff

What's political about it? Again, being defensive about the indefensible.

Julie wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 7:19 am

What's political about it? Again, being defensive about the indefensible.

I'll play this game.....
In essence what your really saying is if we save just one life by getting rid of guns then why not right? Should we get rid of Dr's? They kill more people then guns every year? What about knives? Cars? Lighters? Where do you stop? How many lives are saved by firearms every year? I know you must know because you must have weighed all the information before determining my right that you choose not to exercise isn't worth protecting right?

Lastly this is what I love about people who hate guns.....

"Let's make them illegal, they serve no purpose and people are killed by them all the time".

Last I checked schools are gun free zones so school shootings shouldn't happen right? It's illegal to kill to people right? Fact it laws don't stop crimes. People will do what people want to do. Outlaw firearms and only criminals will have them. Sentencing is where you can make a difference and keep bad people off the streets.

So Julie , what do you propose will solve the problem of school shootings? Keep in mind I know for the Florida shooting the FBI was made aware of shooters by multiple people before shooting but they didn't investigate.

Personally I think mental health needs to be addressed and schools probably need better ways to do threat assessments and have open discussions with students on this subject on what to look for and to say something if they see something.

Totally agree about mental health but it just doesn't seem possible to anticipate when everyone will go off and it may never be. But the point is that whlle getting stabbed or even run over let alone any lesser attack modes may be lousy, people survive at much higher rates than they do getting shot, let alone by e.g. AR15's. And 'guns don't kill people, people do" is silly and I have the feeling you're bright enough not to need that explained. The rest of the world manages to not have these kinds of attacks on a routine basis... have you looked into why that might be?

Julie wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 8:53 am

Totally agree about mental health but it just doesn't seem possible to anticipate when everyone will go off and it may never be. But the point is that whlle getting stabbed or even run over let alone any lesser attack modes may be lousy, people survive at much higher rates than they do getting shot, let alone by e.g. AR15's. And 'guns don't kill people, people do" is silly and I have the feeling you're bright enough not to need that explained. The rest of the world manages to not have these kinds of attacks on a routine basis... have you looked into why that might be?

Let's look at this most recent school shooting. Allegedly he shot people because he was embarrassed by a girl that he was making aggressive advances on that she denied. He allegedly didn't shoot people he liked because he wanted his story told.

I would say the media is part of the problem don't you? Giving media coverage to these events allows people to make a name for themselves. Also it seems like his parents didn't teach him well how to deal with issues. I bet his parents didn't tell him no often enough.

Also I still haven't seen you say what you think would fix this problem. It seems your alluding to making all firearms illegal.

Have you ever fired a firearm before?

I could be wrong but do you know the purpose of military version of the AR-15? The round wasn't actually designed to be super deadly. In fact the thought process back then was to not necessarily kill the person you shot. They thought if you shot and wounded someone you just effectively took out 2 or 3 people from the fight. The person you shot and the other 1 or 2 people to evacuate and take care of person.

Fact is we have the 2nd amendment. We can't just ignore the rights or laws we don't like.

I own firearms and am responsible. I carry concealed as well. It's offensive to me to have someone tell me that I shouldn't be able to defend myself because of some other idiot. That said if I use my firearms in an unsafe or illegal way I fully expect there to be consequences to those actions.
Lastly do you know why Japan never invaded us when we were at war? They knew everyone has guns!

USMCVet wrote: ↑

Sat May 19, 2018 11:36 pm

First of all thoughts and prayers and to the families and loved ones of those injured and those who have been effected by this tragedy.

All of you who make this political and about firearms shame on you for pushing an agenda.

You're an idiot as well.

You have the right to free speech. You have the right to disagree with the 2nd amendment.

I have the right to say your an idiot if you think you can dictate which rights are worth having and which ones you don't care for.

Fact is a right is a right. If you feel the 2nd amendment should be gone I feel your 1st amendment right should be stripped from you.


Let's focus on sentencing laws laws to keep dangerous people off the streets.

How do you explain law enforcement not following through on people reporting these mass shooters before the shootings happen?

If anyone refuses to have an actual adult conversation on an issue then your an idiot and I don't care to talk with you. If you want to talk facts and are open to different opinions then let's talk. I can be swayed myself.

We don't need more sentencing, we need swift justice, less News Sensationalizing, let the News Film the swift public hanging in cases where there is no doubt who's the offender. Jim

USMCVET:
"I could be wrong but do you know the purpose of military version of the AR-15? The round wasn't actually designed to be super deadly. In fact the thought process back then was to not necessarily kill the person you shot. They thought if you shot and wounded someone you just effectively took out 2 or 3 people from the fight. The person you shot and the other 1 or 2 people to evacuate and take care of person."

Correct, but for the 7.62mm round, the 5.56mm, does not fly stable, it wobbles making the wound path unstable. It can change direction after it enters the body, doing much more damage. I'm not saying what you are saying is not the idea.

I'm a M14-A2 man myself, far better than the M-16, in range, accuracy, and reliability. Jim

To USMC Vet - you asked what I'd do? I'd do everything possible at every level to either change or get rid of the 2nd amendment and/or NRA altogether. I'd make everyone who wants firearms undergo stringent and meaningful testing, history, etc. re mental health - not just the knee jerk forms they use now. I would try to do something about media influence, but I also believe in free speech so that would require some serious work... but in the end they're reporting what happens, not instigating. I'd have everyone over the age of 10 learn seriously about how other developed countries handle such issues and make it mandatory that same courses (if mini) be taken in high school, univ. and as a prereq. to joining the police, military and many other professions and groups.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-911286
If CNN says round is meant to wound then the liberals will have to believe it! Granted it says cnn hasnt verified it but you get the point lol.

Heres one of my firearms.
Benelli M4 https://imgur.com/gallery/c56LmSE

hobbs wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 1:52 am

Safer this year to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan than to go to high school. America!

You are correct, not many Liberals running Afghanistan. In the U.S.A., more people are hurt from, wood splinters from making signs, and foot blisters, or UBER Blisters, than from guns.

Turn off the News Media and stop glorifying the people who do these things. Deal with then swiftly and silently, then execute them publicly promptly, let the news media show Justice for a change. The news media, is just begging the next kid to raise the body count! Jim

If I try to enter anywhere to try to kill people for sport or to get on the news, you have my permission to grab your gun and blow me into the next life or whatever is out there.

Julie wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 9:43 am

To USMC Vet - you asked what I'd do? I'd do everything possible at every level to either change or get rid of the 2nd amendment and/or NRA altogether. I'd make everyone who wants firearms undergo stringent and meaningful testing, history, etc. re mental health - not just the knee jerk forms they use now. I would try to do something about media influence, but I also believe in free speech so that would require some serious work... but in the end they're reporting what happens, not instigating. I'd have everyone over the age of 10 learn seriously about how other developed countries handle such issues and make it mandatory that same courses (if mini) be taken in high school, univ. and as a prereq. to joining the police, military and many other professions and groups.

I'd also work to finally (it's been a long time) get rid of the simplistic notions of 'right to bear arms' that came about in previous centuries... it's 2018 and we should have evolved beyond that by now. Rights require responsibility but it seems that has long gone the way of the dodos.

And yes, I fired a 30/30 at my ex-fiance's hunting camp in Minn. - 50 yrs ago. He's now a lawyer who gave the right answer when my mother (in Montreal then) opened the door first time he visited, by asking him (with a smile of course) "Democrat or Republican"?

Always nice go have a republican in the family .

I just want to point out how your protecting the 1st amendment more then the 2nd amendment in your plan. Does that seem fair?

I don't know you but why do liberals want to make gun ownership so difficult yet have a huge problem making people show ID to vote to prove they are who they say they are?

Mental health part is tricky too. So let's assume we made a mental health requirement (in NYS to get pistol permit they actually check your mental health records FYI) . If someone wants to own firearms wouldn't they be less likely to seek treatment if they knew their firearms would be taken away or not be able to get them?

In NYS Governor Cuomo passed the Safe Act which is a stupid law. He said mental health was important to stop gun violence. When he passed the Safe Act he cut mental health funding. The government doesn't really care about fixing the problems.

I hate the NRA as well so we definitely have that as common ground.

One question I have always had and even the supreme Court in the DC v Heller case never addressed it.

What does shall not be infringed mean at the end of 2nd amendment? No other amendment has that wording.

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 9:58 am

hobbs wrote: ↑

Sun May 20, 2018 1:52 am

Safer this year to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan than to go to high school. America!

You are correct, not many Liberals running Afghanistan. In the U.S.A., more people are hurt from, wood splinters from making signs, and foot blisters, or UBER Blisters, than from guns.

Turn off the News Media and stop glorifying the people who do these things. Deal with then swiftly and silently, then execute them publicly promptly, let the news media show Justice for a change. The news media, is just begging the next kid to raise the body count! Jim

If I try to enter anywhere to try to kill people for sport or to get on the news, you have my permission to grab your gun and blow me into the next life or whatever is out there.

What's that saying?????
An armed society is a polite society.