Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by CapnLoki » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:17 am

TedVPAP wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:40 pm
I apologize if I missed it by why use 2 6V batteries when 12V deep cycle battery is readily available? I have a 12VDC/120VAC power pack that I keep at the ready. Have not yet tried it.
Keep in mind that the 6V golf cart batteries are designed for daily use in a harsh, bouncy environment. This is why they are favored by many for marine and RV use. I've used them for over 20 years - I've been tempted to switch to the newer technologies but its never been cost effective for me. My 500 amp-hour bank would cost close to $1000 if it were AGM and probably wouldn't last as long. I do use 12V AGM for starting batteries and home backup.

I would add that you can get the same quality Trojan technology in a 12V form factor, but the golf cart supply chain keeps the 6v version much cheaper and easier to get.

This is changing rapidly - I've probably bought my last flooded batteries; the question is will my next large deep cycle battery bank be AGM or Lithium? If my Tesla Model 3 ever happens it will be lithium!

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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by edatlanta » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:56 am

CapnLoki wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:17 am
TedVPAP wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:40 pm
I apologize if I missed it by why use 2 6V batteries when 12V deep cycle battery is readily available? I have a 12VDC/120VAC power pack that I keep at the ready. Have not yet tried it.
Keep in mind that the 6V golf cart batteries are designed for daily use in a harsh, bouncy environment. This is why they are favored by many for marine and RV use. I've used them for over 20 years - I've been tempted to switch to the newer technologies but its never been cost effective for me. My 500 amp-hour bank would cost close to $1000 if it were AGM and probably wouldn't last as long. I do use 12V AGM for starting batteries and home backup.

I would add that you can get the same quality Trojan technology in a 12V form factor, but the golf cart supply chain keeps the 6v version much cheaper and easier to get.

This is changing rapidly - I've probably bought my last flooded batteries; the question is will my next large deep cycle battery bank be AGM or Lithium? If my Tesla Model 3 ever happens it will be lithium!
While lithium technology is nice, I'm not ready for the potential of fire with them. Just last week my laptop computer, that has a lithium battery, started to come apart. The case was splitting. It seems the lithium battery was swelling and splitting the case open. And no, this computer has never ever been sitting in the sun and overheated.

At some point this technology might be ready for me to sleep around, but not now.

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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:38 am

edatlanta wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:48 am
I live in an RV full time and will be boondocking week after next so I tried out my Dreamstation on 12v last night. I used the 12v plug from Respironics and it worked like a champ. I have 2 golf cart batteries in series for power and a generator to keep them charged up. I usually have the generator on for an hour in the mornings for coffee and a couple of hours in the evening for TV.

Talladega here I come. I volunteer there for the races so I will be there for 6 nights.
we have been boondocking the last few years as well (we attend the Phoenix races) :) hubby rigged a 12 volt thing in our motorhome. Works great.

have fun!
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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by Barb (Seattle) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:42 am

Pugsy wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:30 pm
edatlanta wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:10 pm
This is people watching at it's best or worst depending on your perspective.
My husband loves it. He would love to be there and camp out and get right in the middle of all of it.
Me...not so much...the noise does a real number on my headaches and it's not a good number. When I lived down there it was the last place I ever wanted to go but I don't do well with crowds..drunk or sober. :lol:
I was working at the hospital when that driver got killed there some decades ago.
I saw all I wanted of the race aftermath in the ER.

Now I am content to watch it on TV and I will wave to you wherever you are. Enjoy and have fun.
oh yeah noise. At the Phoenix track, they all run generators into the weeeee hours lol it's fun though. although...I usually am exhausted lol
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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by SethB » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:49 am

CapnLoki wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:43 pm
...I try to replace them when they're down to about 80% capacity...
CapnLoki, how are you evaluating the capacity of batteries/battery banks as they age?

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Re: Tried Out Dreamstation On 12V

Post by CapnLoki » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:48 am

SethB wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:49 am
CapnLoki wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:43 pm
...I try to replace them when they're down to about 80% capacity...
CapnLoki, how are you evaluating the capacity of batteries/battery banks as they age?
There are a number of ways to determine the capacity and state of charge (SOG) of a battery. My primary tool is a Amp-Hour meter which measures AH in and AH out continuously. Since I live on board during the summer, I'm glancing at that at least a dozen times a day. I also have a AH meter on the primary load, the refrigerator, and I record that number daily so I can track the fridge health over time.

I also look a the voltage frequently, but since there is always a fluctuating load its difficult to interpret. Although many folk make claims like "12.6 V means a fully charged battery" its actually the least reliable measure.

Health of a bank is often measured with a load tester, where you measure the voltage decline when a fully charged battery is given a large load. I don't have such a device, but I can turn on the microwave (through a 2kW inverter) which pulls a 90 Amp load and note the drop. Nowadays you can get a conductance meter battery tester for under $100 - there may be one of these in my future. There is also the "full capacity test" where you fully drain under controlled conditions, but this is rather extreme.

When I'm considering replacement, I start testing the specific gravity with a hydrometer (remember I have flooded cells!) so I can determine the SOG when the AH meter says 200 AH have been used. This is as close as I can come to a real health test. I often do this at the end of a season to know if I'm getting new batteries in the spring.

Normally I can "just feel" when my batteries are getting old. And when they are old they are more susceptible to dying from minor abuse - tired batteries are more likely to die when neglected in a harsh winter. So my solution is to replace after about 6 years at the first sign of significant decline. If I were only using the boat occasionally, I could probably push it a year or two longer, but since I live aboard, and problems usually happen in hard to get to places, I replace early. My net cost per year is about $100, while the cost of an untimely problem could easily be 10 times that.

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