Mask liners that really work?

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Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 am

Hey all,

My name is John, I'll be 48 this year and I've been using my CPAP machine now for approx 10 years. I use the ResMed Escape EPR with a full face mask in size medium and I've had my tube insulated from day one. When I started using the machine I filled the distilled water reservoir and used the humidifier but it was just an annoyance and seemed counter productive as I was awake more often with moisture problems than with my Sleep Apnea. Needless to say I stopped using the humidifier and I can't say I needed it in the first place.
After about the first year of using the CPAP I started getting a rash and flaky skin from time to time on my face where any silicone was in contact with my skin. My doctor gave me creams, I bought other creams and on and on it went with it getting worse day by day. It didn't matter how many times I cleaned it or even if I replaced the mask, the rash was there. Then it got to the point where it wouldn't go away at all and woke up one morning with a giant pimple on my face. When I attempted to burst the thing it left me with a scar on my cheek along side my nose. Then I discovered and bought just about every liner out there, but in the end they were all disappointing, useless and way too expensive to keep on buying all the time. That's when I resorted to making my own liner's for my mask out of socks. I went and bought a bag of socks and cut about 10 of them to fit. It took me quite a while to get the socks right and it definitely wasn't the best solution, but on some nights sleeping was almost good again while using them. Eventually the socks frayed, they would move and wrinkle during the night which would of course lead to leaks that would always wake me up and the socks always tickled my eye lashes making it difficult to even get to sleep. Another problem was what my wife had to put up with each night while I was having my regular fits of frustration. It's been a real struggle, for both of us.

What I want to know is if any of you have found the "Holy Grail" of mask liners that have actually worked as well as they claim it does? I haven't found it that's for dam sure and I've tried them all. I'm hell bent on either finding something that will work or I may just have to create the dam thing myself like I did with my socks! It won't be a sock liner though lol. I'm just so frustrated and tired of being tired every day.

So here you go, I've created this survey on Google https://goo.gl/forms/MvB8x6fpTvRxfcKA3 to find out what other peoples experiences have been like and I would appreciate it if you'd be so kind in filling out the short survey for me. If I ever do make the "Holy Grail" of liners it means that by filling out my survey you'll be on my email list of contacts so I can let you know right away when I have created the "Holy Grail" of liners. I would need of a group people to do testing on the liners of course and they would receive them absolutely free of charge, no shipping costs or anything. I'd send them directly to your door. The only thing I would ask from you is your feedback, your true honest opinions of the liner. You may hear from me sooner than later because I'm serious at this point where I'll stop at nothing to fix this problem. Good luck out there and I hope to read all of your answers soon. Thanks for reading my long rant! lol!

John

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by LSAT » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:46 am

Great mask liners at http://padacheek.com . You haven't tried "them all" unless you have one of these.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 am

Not in my opinion. I've tried them too. They wrinkle, move and are just a plain annoyance like all the others out there. I'm going into the think tank and I won't come out until I have, like I said, the "Holy Grail" of liners. I'm a very motivated person and when something gets under my skin for as long as this has there's no stopping me when it comes to solving the issue, which I feel many of us here on this forum share.
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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by LSAT » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 am

JWalsh wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 am
Not in my opinion. I've tried them too. They wrinkle, move and are just a plain annoyance like all the others out there. I'm going into the think tank and I won't come out until I have, like I said, the "Holy Grail" of liners. I'm a very motivated person and when something gets under my skin for as long as this has there's no stopping me when it come to solving the issue, which I feel many of us here on this forum share.
Better pack a lunch.... :lol:

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:47 am

I'll hold you to that anchovie, mustard, green & black olive sandwich on rye with limburger cheese covered in a thick layer of miracle whip and ghost peppers. That's the lunch I'll be saving for you when I make you eat your words chappie. 8)

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:16 am

Joined today, promoting your business . . .
Using an Escape after ten years of cpap use.
Uh, weird, man, weird.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by Pugsy » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:21 am

Folks...I need to chat with forum admin about this post and the other one he made.
So won't take immediate action on the spam reporting until I get to run it by forum admin. I have already sent a PM about it..just waiting on response.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:04 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:16 am
Joined today, promoting your business . . .
Using an Escape after ten years of cpap use.
Uh, weird, man, weird.
Exactly what I said is the absolute truth. I've had enough of being uncomfortable and tired every day because there's nothing out there to make wearing my ResMed Escape CPAP machine with a size medium mask more comfortable. I don't think I've had a string of 2 or 3 consecutive full nights sleep since I began using my CPAP machine and I'm getting too old to have to put up with the frustration of it all. So I decided to get out there and see what kind of experiences others are having and go from there in creating a new liner that will help me, you and everyone else who cares about being comfortable and getting to sleep all night every night. If I create a liner that helps you is that a bad thing to build a business from? If you find a product that fixes a problem like for instance a single adjustable wrench that can tighten or loosen all sizes of nuts, would you be upset about that and stick with the entire rack of wrenches on your wall? If it's too much of a problem then what is this forum for? I thought it was here for people to reach out and find what helps from others who have had experiences in the CPAP world. I know I am. I work in the construction field and have no ties to any corporate companies or whatever, I'm a guy with a passion about fixing this problem that a lot of people are having, including myself.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:25 am

chunkyfrog wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:16 am
Joined today, promoting your business . . .
Using an Escape after ten years of cpap use.
Uh, weird, man, weird.
Oh yeah, and what business was it that I promoted? I don't recall putting a company name or logo out to anyone? Can you see something I'm unaware of? It's a survey I created on Google Forms for free. There's a bit of free information for you, now you too can go and make a survey for free and send it to people who may be interested in what you have to ask them.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:47 am

No, thank you.
And there is NFW you are getting MY email.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:02 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:47 am
No, thank you.
And there is NFW you are getting MY email.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I must assume that you probably don't need any help getting and staying asleep at night, or by that same token no need to save any money because why would you if you're not in the market of buying liner's and creams every month, so obviously there's NFW you'd even consider giving out your email. Thank you!

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:09 pm

I save money by NOT SPENDING IT.
Give it a shot. It works.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm

JWalsh wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 am
After about the first year of using the CPAP I started getting a rash and flaky skin from time to time on my face where any silicone was in contact with my skin. My doctor gave me creams, I bought other creams and on and on it went with it getting worse day by day. It didn't matter how many times I cleaned it or even if I replaced the mask, the rash was there. Then it got to the point where it wouldn't go away at all and woke up one morning with a giant pimple on my face. When I attempted to burst the thing it left me with a scar on my cheek along side my nose.
Something is probably wrong with what you were doing. First of all, you were probably using the wrong "creams". You don't say what they were, so we can't know. But, you used more than one cream, so it is likely some or all of them were the wrong creams. In addition to that, you were almost certainly not applying them properly. You clogged up a pore with the creams and developed a pimple. Popping the pimple was also a bad move.

Here's the deal, and you don't even need to see a doctor. The first line of treatment for the problem you describe is OTC - 1% hydrocortisone cream - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-Maxim ... z/23736260 .

Here how to use it. In the morning, wash your face, preferably with a non-comedogenic soap (CeraVe, Cetaphil or Dermasil). Dry face. Gently rub in a small amount of the hydrocortisone cream. Repeat at night if necessary.

Within a few days, you should get to the point to where the evening application is not necessary, but still wash with the soap before putting on the mask.

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by JWalsh » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:34 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm
JWalsh wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 am
After about the first year of using the CPAP I started getting a rash and flaky skin from time to time on my face where any silicone was in contact with my skin. My doctor gave me creams, I bought other creams and on and on it went with it getting worse day by day. It didn't matter how many times I cleaned it or even if I replaced the mask, the rash was there. Then it got to the point where it wouldn't go away at all and woke up one morning with a giant pimple on my face. When I attempted to burst the thing it left me with a scar on my cheek along side my nose.
Something is probably wrong with what you were doing. First of all, you were probably using the wrong "creams". You don't say what they were, so we can't know. But, you used more than one cream, so it is likely some or all of them were the wrong creams. In addition to that, you were almost certainly not applying them properly. You clogged up a pore with the creams and developed a pimple. Popping the pimple was also a bad move.

Here's the deal, and you don't even need to see a doctor. The first line of treatment for the problem you describe is OTC - 1% hydrocortisone cream - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-Maxim ... z/23736260 .

Here how to use it. In the morning, wash your face, preferably with a non-comedogenic soap (CeraVe, Cetaphil or Dermasil). Dry face. Gently rub in a small amount of the hydrocortisone cream. Repeat at night if necessary.

Within a few days, you should get to the point to where the evening application is not necessary, but still wash with the soap before putting on the mask.
Thank you for the advice, but my doctor is who I was prescribed cortisone from and it didn't do the job either. And I feel that putting steroids on my skin daily is more damaging than using a liner that really works. It's not out there right now because I haven't created the final product yet. But when I do you'll all know it and be talking about it and I can't wait to leave my "I Told You So" comment on each of those threads in this forum when that day comes. lol

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Re: Mask liners that really work?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:40 pm

We will be breaking down the doors to buy them.

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