APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

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APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by Allessio77 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:57 am

Does APAP therapy have any preventative effect on the transmission of cold or flu?

I ask because, in what is apparently a BAD flu season, I feel pretty good.
Does the Hypo-allergenic filter in the APAP help to keep bugs out of my nose?
Does the air pressure kill germs? or move them right out of my body? or toughen up my throat or sinuses?

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by LSAT » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:20 am

Allessio77 wrote:Does APAP therapy have any preventative effect on the transmission of cold or flu? NO
I ask because, in what is apparently a BAD flu season, I feel pretty good.
Does the Hypo-allergenic filter in the APAP help to keep bugs out of my nose?..NO..It just filters your room air
Does the air pressure kill germs? or move them right out of my body? or toughen up my throat or sinuses?..NO

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by Goofproof » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:14 am

And Yes Too, indirectly! It helps get your body back in tune, instead of dying dozens of time a night.

Also it's always going to be a bad flu year, they guess what a problem they can't control, make a vaccine guessing what few strains are going to be worse, (or the ones leftover from last year), either way they will fail because they are playing catch up in a race where the other runners are always faster.

BUT, even if they don't hit the mark the profit is still the same..... Not much incentive to make the vaccine better. :roll: Jim
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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:22 am

Allessio77 wrote:Does APAP therapy have any preventative effect on the transmission of cold or flu?

I ask because, in what is apparently a BAD flu season, I feel pretty good.
Does the Hypo-allergenic filter in the APAP help to keep bugs out of my nose?
Does the air pressure kill germs? or move them right out of my body? or toughen up my throat or sinuses?
1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No

But, effective CPAP therapy can help to get your immune system back to a strong state. Your immune system should be better able to fight off infections.

Allessio77 wrote: I feel pretty good.
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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 am

Goofproof wrote:make a vaccine guessing what few strains are going to be worse
Guessing?
More than 100 national influenza centers in over 100 countries conduct year-round surveillance for influenza. This involves receiving and testing thousands of influenza virus samples from patients. The laboratories send representative viruses to five World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Centers for Reference and Research on Influenza, which are located in the following places:

Atlanta, Georgia, USA (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC);
London, United Kingdom (The Francis Crick Institute);
Melbourne, Australia (Victoria Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory);
Tokyo, Japan (National Institute for Infectious Diseases); and
Beijing, China (National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention).
Twice a year, the World Health Organization (WHO) organizes a consultation with the Directors of the WHO Collaborating Centers, essential regulatory laboratories and representatives of key national laboratories and academies. They review the results of surveillance, laboratory, and clinical studies, and the availability of vaccine viruses and make recommendations on the composition of the influenza vaccine. These meetings take place in February for selection of the upcoming Northern Hemisphere’s seasonal influenza vaccine and in September for the Southern Hemisphere’s vaccine. WHO recommends specific vaccine viruses for inclusion in influenza vaccines, but then each country makes their own decision about which viruses should be included in influenza vaccines licensed in their country.

In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) makes the final decision about vaccine viruses for influenza vaccines to be sold in the U.S. Information about circulation of influenza viruses and available vaccine viruses is summarized and presented to an advisory committee of the FDA in February each year for the U.S. decision about which viruses to include in the upcoming season’s vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/va ... ection.htm
Yeah, they are guessing.

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by mesenteria » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:31 am

I sort of agree, somewhat, with the above, but a company that consistently provides an essentially ineffective product will lose its market eventually. Efficacy is something people expect and desire hugely from their health care providers of all types, so if a corporation that desires to survive and to thrive (meaning it pays dividends frequently) reliably produces an unreliable product, it will have some 'splainin' to do before long. Or investors will stay away in droves. So, no capitalization on future projects.

The answers in red font are correct. The filter and appliance behind it can't rid you of a virus, which is what causes the flu. Pollens and other agents of the allergic response are much larger than viruses, so the filters do a passable job with those. All the air pressure would do is maybe to speed the pathogens along the various passages, tubing and trachea, and deeper perhaps into alveoli inside the lungs. When your body deals effectively with pathogens, it excretes them. The CPAP's role, if any, would be to keep your health optimal, and thus keeping your immune response generally optimal.

Your body reacts to stress. One way is to secrete cortisol. Cortisol and its precursor, epinephrine, do a great job of preparing you for stressful times. However, this is not true over the long term. Over weeks and months, the elevated levels of cortisol will suppress your immune system, chiefly the production of interleukin II (interleukin "two"). Interleukin 2 is an aid in the production of leucocytes, or what we commonly call 'white blood cells'. White blood cells constitute the bulk of our immune response that locates, goes to, and destroys phages and viruses, and even many tumours. So, to get to my point, if you lose sleep or sleep badly, you will incur a stress response, and that will include elevated levels of serum cortisol. Bad.

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:36 am

mesenteria wrote:I sort of agree, somewhat, with the above, but a company that consistently provides an essentially ineffective product will lose its market eventually.
You mean you agree with this nonsense:
BUT, even if they don't hit the mark the profit is still the same..... Not much incentive to make the vaccine better.
People who work for the companies that produce vaccines are at risk for influenza. Their children and elderly parents are at risk. They are well aware of the risks. Do you really believe there is a great profit-driven conspiracy to make ineffective vaccines?

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by mesenteria » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:42 pm

Not that part, and I was careful to express why. Did you read my post?

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by RicaLynn » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:55 pm

Goofproof wrote:And Yes Too, indirectly! It helps get your body back in tune, instead of dying dozens of time a night.
Agreed! Getting better, more restful sleep will boost your immune system, meaning you'll fight off bacteria and viruses more effectively and succumb to fewer illnesses.

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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by Goofproof » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:12 pm

A Good Flu season would be one where everyone that took the Flu Shot would be protected from all Flu Virus strains, past, present, and maybe future. Jim
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Re: APAP and the Common Cold and/or Flu

Post by palerider » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:14 pm

Allessio77 wrote:Does APAP therapy have any preventative effect on the transmission of cold or flu?
I ask because, in what is apparently a BAD flu season, I feel pretty good.
Does the Hypo-allergenic filter in the APAP help to keep bugs out of my nose?
Does the air pressure kill germs? or move them right out of my body? or toughen up my throat or sinuses?
The only way that xpap could possibly help keep you from catching the flu is by letting you sleep, which makes you more rested, which should help your immune system and other bodily functions by not being as run down and tired as if you were suffering the fractured sleep of apnea.

as to your filter question... where would those bugs come from? assuming you're not using your cpap while out about in public. (a very few people do).

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