Sleepyhead question

So I didn't insert the SD card yesterday to be read by SH.....

First question will SH load up the missed days or does it only load the latest one after missing a couple??

Also everything worked well up to Saturday but upon trying to upload today, I\Sun and Mon- two days (yesterday and today) with nothing on either day.....

So have I don't something wrong ???? I did what was mentioned about protecting the SD CARD.,....pulling the switch down when inserting into the computer and sliding it back up when inserting into the CPAP........

If I check MYAir it shows info on my cell.... and computer.....

If the SD card is NOT in the AirSense 10 machine during the night you will miss the detailed data.
The AirSense 10 machine only stores summary data on its internal memory...so when you put the SD card back into the machine it can only put back on the card what it has in its memory.
Summary data...AHI, 95% pressure numbers, 95% leak numbers...stuff like that. Essentially the stuff you see on the left side of the detailed daily report from SH.

You don't need to lock the SD card...the ResMed S9 was the only machine that caused a problem with some operating systems writing a a little text file to the SD card and then the S9 didn't like it.

So if you don't have detailed data (graphs and such) it was because the SD card wasn't in the machine during the night when you used it but you will still have some data.

Here's what you get when you get summary only.


Here's what you get if the SD card is in the machine (and correctly inserted so make sure the machine recognizes the card) all night.

Lou Cypher wrote:So I didn't insert the SD card yesterday to be read by SH.....

First question will SH load up the missed days or does it only load the latest one after missing a couple??.

SH loads all the data that's on the card, that it doesn't have.

I have no clue what is going on......

Something isn't right...... it hasn't copied or downloaded anything for the last two days.....

I rebooted the software and put my card back into the CPAP device;... then put it back into SH on my computer...

it took forever but just now said the import was a success..

does it always work quirky like this ?????

I haven't even learned how to use it yet and it is goofy so far, or am i doing something wrong

I don't have any issues with SleepyHead and I can't see what you see or see what you are doing to know if you are doing something wrong or not. It is a bit quirky when the machine doesn't put those data files (while you are using the machine during the night) that is needed for optimal SleepyHead performance. So maybe with the mixture (some files complete and some incomplete) SH just needed more time to sort through things.

Do you have data where you expect data?

Lou Cypher wrote:I have no clue what is going on......

Something isn't right...... it hasn't copied or downloaded anything for the last two days.....

I rebooted the software and put my card back into the CPAP device;... then put it back into SH on my computer...

it took forever but just now said the import was a success..

does it always work quirky like this ?????

I haven't even learned how to use it yet and it is goofy so far, or am i doing something wrong

Your card should be in the machine at all times, except when you take it out to download data to your computer. Then is should go right back into the machine.

LSAT wrote:

Lou Cypher wrote:I have no clue what is going on......

Something isn't right...... it hasn't copied or downloaded anything for the last two days.....

I rebooted the software and put my card back into the CPAP device;... then put it back into SH on my computer...

it took forever but just now said the import was a success..

does it always work quirky like this ?????

I haven't even learned how to use it yet and it is goofy so far, or am i doing something wrong

Your card should be in the machine at all times, except when you take it out to download data to your computer. Then is should go right back into the machine.

Yes I know and do that.....

Pugsy wrote:I don't have any issues with SleepyHead and I can't see what you see or see what you are doing to know if you are doing something wrong or not. It is a bit quirky when the machine doesn't put those data files (while you are using the machine during the night) that is needed for optimal SleepyHead performance. So maybe with the mixture (some files complete and some incomplete) SH just needed more time to sort through things.

Do you have data where you expect data?

Yes everything seems to be ok today as far as getting data from machine and into SH today.

As far as sleep, well last night was another story... I woke up with dry mouth and found air rushing out around the pillows..... I shut off the cpap, cleared my throat and drank some water....... put new tape on my mouth and went back to bed, turned on the machine and laid there, just couldn't go back to sleep... so after trying for an hour , I gave up and turned off the cpap, and got up....

Very tired today..... looking at all the charts in SH I see a blank spot, that must have been when I turned it off and got up....

I still have no clue as to what I am seeing or supposed to be seeing but I noticed a circle pie chart under AHI that shows CA, What is clear airway ??? is that the time I had it shut off before trying to go back to sleep again????

The CA numbers 5.28 H 1.32 and OA 3.21

I am trying to read through all the instructions but not doing so well.... I saw where there were some charts I could remove for now but the instructions don't see to work with this version because items that should be listed under file aren't there .........

The pie chart is just a whole pie and each section is what percent of the pie that event category makes up.
Doesn't really mean much if the entire pie is one type of event.
Example...if you had one event all night long...and say it was an obstructive apnea..the entire pie would be the obstructive apnea color but you only had 1 event all night long...so it doesn't really matter how big the pie is.
Another example...suppose you had a total of 12 events over the entire night...say 6 hours ....that's an AHI overall of 2.0.
and the event category was half clear airway and half obstructive apnea...the pie chart would be half and half color.

Clear Airway...the airway is open but no air is moving. ResMed calls it a central apnea. Something your old S8 machine didn't flag at all. SleepyHead calls it a ClearAirway because originally SleepyHead was written for Respironics machines and that's what Respironics calls them.

Now...it is very possible that some of your Clear Airway/Central apnea events are awake breathing irregularities and the machine doesn't/can't know if you are asleep or not.
Hold your breath for 10 seconds...that would likely cause the machine to flag a clear airway event of 10 seconds but it's not real because you held your breath on purpose. The machine doesn't know that you did it on purpose. All the machine knows is that there was no air moving and the airway was open.

The fact that you report that you had a lot of trouble going back to sleep makes me wonder if a lot of those ClearAirway flags might be awake breathing flags and not real.
I would take these results with a grain of salt and not get all worried about them. Instead I would be more concerned about why you can't get back to sleep.

SleepyHead has been through more versions than I can count and some of the tutorials out there may not be totally current or match up with this latest version. Those of us who grew as SleepyHead grew can manage but it can be confusing for someone like you who never used Sleepyhead before.
Do the best you can...concentrate on the basics and don't worry too much about most of those graphs you see because they really don't mean much anyway.
Concentrate on understanding the AHI and the leak data first. The other stuff will fall into place.

Jason has some videos that might help you understand what you are seeing.
http://freecpapadvice.com/sleepyhead-free-software

Thanks, I will give them a look and see what I can do.......

I haven't gotten too far past the obvious in SH..... Mainly because I have still been trying to find a new mask and master the new CPAP...I think I have the AirSense where I want it and seems to be the best for me.......... The last two nights I like what has been happening with this last mask.... however it certainly could be better......

I almost slept through the whole night last night, but I did wake up at 5 AM.. Took a drink of water, notched the humidity up just one and was able to go back to sleep until 7:30. I felt the most refreshed since I started all of this a month ago...... So I was feeling pretty good about that.... with hope for the future maybe getting better.. I love the no tape anymore.. so on to my question...

I was pretty comfortable and a bit confident things were headed in the right direction until I just put the chip in SH.......

This is what popped up in the little window on the Welcome page.

You had an AHI of 3.93, which is considered technically "treated"
You machine was on for 6 hours, 22 minutes and 0 seconds.
You had significant periods of major mask leakage.
Your pressure was under 19.34cmH2O for 95% of the time.

So I am a bit bummed out again...... I know I am having difficulty with the leaks, but I didn't think they were significant and my machine is set from 10.8 - 20.0..... They did that according to my records from many years ago When I got my S8 and that was just a guess but I never got any where near that large numberf while using nose pillows.. I think maybe 13 something was the most.... I seems to b e running at 13 something all the time now....

So if my machine is topped out at 20 and 95% of the time I am needing 19.34 , questions come to mind.... Should the 20 number be raised ???? what happens If some night I need to go over 20 ????

In your humble opinion how bad is the above report ??? Remember I am used to seeing numbers zero or very close to zero for many years now but I was using an S8 and Swift LT until the horrible mought breathing starting......

Add to that The MYAir says I got a 94 last night and that it was a great score with good mask seal, 5 events per hour

So I remained confused in the land of sleepyness

I used to think I understood all this and now I realize I don't, it is all a bit weird right now....

What is the percent of time showing above the red line in the SleepyHead statistics for last night?

Sometimes SleepyHead makes mountains out of mole hills when it gives the large leak slap on the hands.

In other words SleepyHead will often use the word "significant" and maybe it really wasn't all that significant especially if the max leak wasn't deep into large leak territory and it didn't last all that long.

I would need to see the report from SleepyHead to answer the pressure question.
95% numbers just mean you were at OR BELOW that number for 95% of the time. That "or below" part is real important.
It does NOT mean you were at 19.34 cm for 95 % of the time unless you look at that pressure graph and it is pegged out at 19.34 all night long.

Besides...if you do need more pressure increasing the minimum is a better thing to do.

Where do I find this red line you are asking about

And how can I p ost pictures from SH here...

Look here for how to post images.
viewtopic/t158560/How-to-post-images-for-review.html

For the Statistics number for percent above red line....look at this one...I have it circled in red...and just so you know that even forum veterans can have bad leak nights...I think this one is a new record for me...and I slept through it all.
37 % of the time in large leak...that's pretty bad. I don't even give it a second look until I get above 15% though.
What percent do you see for the night you are concerned about where SleepyHead used "significant".

Total time in apnea 00:07:03

Time over leak redline 1.300%

Is this what you are also looking for ?????

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Just so you are aware, I am trying different things to get a FF mask to work for me...... I have had a couple of other issues going on which messed up everything,,, I think I have both of those out of the picture now and am only working on the mask.....So you will see where I woke up and didn't connect back up for awhile... I took some time to think about what has been going on and how to attempt a fix before trying to go back to sleep again...........

Tonight I am hoping to get a better look....... also Thank You so much for you help if discussing these things as I now see what you said,,,,, about using the right words and how what I though was alarming just might not have been......

As always I would appreciate any thoughts you have on this or any other part of the chart you would want to see,,, that is ,,, if I posted this right for you......LOL