Tongue ring as a cure?

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Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by FlyingMoose » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:20 am

I'm always thinking of crazy ideas, and I'm not suggesting anyone try this...

I was wondering about having a tongue piercing, and inserting a bar long enough to keep your tongue sticking out.

If a bar would be too much pressure on one area, then maybe a port which you would insert a stick through during the night.

If I stick my tongue out far enough, it's almost impossible for me to close my throat up even if I want to.

Maybe even some other way to keep the tongue out, although you want to be careful not to cut off the circulation. I was thinking of how the dentist wraps gauze around it and holds it out of the way while working, I wonder if some mechanical solution to do the same thing would work. Or a custom size/shape cup that would use suction.

Your tongue would get very dry of course, but I don't know if this would have any detrimental effects long-term.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by hobbs » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:17 am

Get some sleep.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by RicaLynn » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:29 am

hobbs wrote:Get some sleep.
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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by jnk... » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:32 am

Dr. Park (ENT and sleep specialist) on TRDs in 2009:
"I have patients stick out their tongue whenever I examine the space behind the tongue while they’re lying flat on their backs. This is a rough estimate, but only in about one out of 4 times, do I see any significant improvement in the posterior airway space. This may explain why many patients don’t see any benefits." -- http://doctorstevenpark.com/tongue-reta ... es-it-work
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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 am

There was, or is, a product on the market that purports to do just that. It's a pacifier looking thing with a suction bulb that grasps the tongue and holds it extended. Might work...in one out of four.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by jnk... » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:39 am

-jeff, a user (not a pro) who suffers from an ongoing, long-term, nocturnal addiction to air (S9/P10)

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:53 am

jnk... wrote:Inexpensive, it seems . . .

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Genkent-2-Pa ... /950686121
Well, there you go!

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Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:33 am

Jay Aitchsee wrote:There was, or is, a product on the market that purports to do just that. It's a pacifier looking thing with a suction bulb that grasps the tongue and holds it extended. Might work...in one out of four.
Gramps bought one - Good Morning Snore Solution. He wanted to use it for short naps. After I started CPAP, I dug it out of the drawer and tried it a few times for naps. Both of us found it uncomfortable. More importantly, when we fell asleep, it felt like we were still having many apneas.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by sewsleepy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:12 am

Sounds delightful!
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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by jnk... » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:18 am

sewsleepy wrote:Sounds delightful!
What is it about Pacific-Northwesterners?

The OP had you folks at "tongue piercing," didn't he.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by ShinRyoku » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:01 pm

Not crazy. Also, it has been tried:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20734019
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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by Goofproof » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:09 pm

FlyingMoose wrote:I'm always thinking of crazy ideas, and I'm not suggesting anyone try this...

I was wondering about having a tongue piercing, and inserting a bar long enough to keep your tongue sticking out.

If a bar would be too much pressure on one area, then maybe a port which you would insert a stick through during the night.

If I stick my tongue out far enough, it's almost impossible for me to close my throat up even if I want to.

Maybe even some other way to keep the tongue out, although you want to be careful not to cut off the circulation. I was thinking of how the dentist wraps gauze around it and holds it out of the way while working, I wonder if some mechanical solution to do the same thing would work. Or a custom size/shape cup that would use suction.

Your tongue would get very dry of course, but I don't know if this would have any detrimental effects long-term.
Or a 80 lb test fishing line tied to a 1 lb weight hanging over the side of the bed, if you can still pull your tongue in , increase the weight. The bar might fall out and hit you in the eye. Jim

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by FlyingMoose » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Ha! Maybe I’m not crazy, since someone else thought of the same idea.

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by Goofproof » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:19 pm

You could tattoo a warning under the ring, "If found choking from Sleep Apnea, Pull On Ring". Jim

Might even hook a small Bell onto the ring, so it would wake you up.

On second thought, XPAP isn't that hard to use, and it works!

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Re: Tongue ring as a cure?

Post by jnk... » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:28 pm

ShinRyoku wrote:Not crazy. Also, it has been tried:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20734019
Interesting:
Using the device led to an increase of apnea
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