Huge Sleep debt

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Huge Sleep debt

Post by a mess » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:43 pm

I have seen people use the term "huge sleep debt" when they refer to being more tired since using Cpap. Can someone explain this?

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

Post by LSAT » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:49 pm

a mess wrote:I have seen people use the term "huge sleep debt" when they refer to being more tired since using Cpap. Can someone explain this?
Taking out a loan from a mattress store.

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

Post by Guest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:29 pm

a mess wrote:I have seen people use the term "huge sleep debt" when they refer to being more tired since using Cpap. Can someone explain this?
I would interpret it as being two separate issues.
One is to get a sufficient amount of sleep to pay off the years of lousy, apnea-affected/inflicted sleep debt.
The other is to get the CPAP therapy optimized. (sounder, longer sleep with fewer wake-ups and fewer potty breaks)
The latter could be a matter of finding the proper pressure, humidity and exhale relief settings that maximize good sleep and minimize apnea/hypopnea events and finding the best mask to reduce/eliminate leaks (including from the mouth).
It's hard to pay off the sleep debt and get good sound sleep until the therapy is optimized.

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:37 pm

A temporary tired feeling may be a symptom of reduced adrenaline levels,
which result from fewer arousals during the night.
Adrenaline had me so "hopped up" before starting treatment, that, afterward,
I felt a bit depressed--like the end of my "cpap honeymoon".

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

Post by kteague » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:06 am

Good explanation, Pugsy. Thanks for the link. I know even today it's a debated topic in sleep circles, and I'm sure a forum search would bear that out. But I don't think anyone will debate that once we begin treatment and getting decent sleep, it can take a while to get to the point of actually feeling like we've had enough sleep. I think of it more as a period of recovery from all we've been through. Fortunately, whatever we call it, we do not need to pay back what we lost hour for hour. For the first few weeks I allowed myself all the sleep I desired. That worked for me because I had no trouble with insomnia. One day I woke up and felt willing and even eager to join the world again. In my mind, that was the night I made my final payment on my old debt. Just my opinion, but I think those who short sleep with amounts not even adequate for maintenance during their recovery are prolonging their recovery period.

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Re: Huge Sleep debt

Post by Holden4th » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:35 am

kteague wrote:
Good explanation, Pugsy. Thanks for the link. I know even today it's a debated topic in sleep circles, and I'm sure a forum search would bear that out. But I don't think anyone will debate that once we begin treatment and getting decent sleep, it can take a while to get to the point of actually feeling like we've had enough sleep. I think of it more as a period of recovery from all we've been through. Fortunately, whatever we call it, we do not need to pay back what we lost hour for hour. For the first few weeks I allowed myself all the sleep I desired. That worked for me because I had no trouble with insomnia. One day I woke up and felt willing and even eager to join the world again. In my mind, that was the night I made my final payment on my old debt. Just my opinion, but I think those who short sleep with amounts not even adequate for maintenance during their recovery are prolonging their recovery period.
I agree with you.... the only problem being is that I have yet to fully pay back the debt. I do get tired during the day but it's not the brain fogged, memory impaired, depressive tiredness of my pre xPAP days. My numbers are now almost consistently in the less than 1.0 range and I know that I am sleeping reasonably well. Like you, I want to have that morning when I get up and know that the debt has been paid off. Let's hope it's soon.

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