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they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:19 am

I didn't get a reply from the other post, but I'm a male and they gave me a resmed for her unit. Didn't notice till I got home.
Nose part smells like bad dishrag bacteria. And the card has about 2 years of user data.

Is it normal to rent used units for trial.
I 'think' the nose part came in a new bag, and is blue, so maybe the 'made for her unit,' is ok for him with a different nose hose?
Should I complain and ask for another? Just happens to be on a Friday that I get a 3 day rental. Can't even complain in that period.

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Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:28 am

Well, I found a thread here about it (can't link or gets spam prevention)....
they mention that you should just try it. But in my case, I'm trying to validate a terrible overnight that I worry about false positives, with this 3 day rental.
It's just one error after another, and you don't get undos with insurance. So frustrating.

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Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:42 am

I also cannot change any of the algorithm settings some have mentioned,
I only have Ramp time (Auto greyed out). Tube Temp. Mask (Pillows). Run Mask Fit. And AIrplane mode off.
That's it. Maybe the SD card tells it to force certain settings?

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Post by zoocrewphoto » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:34 am

The "for you" machine just has an extra model that is supposed to be smoother and nicer. Some guys like it too. And you don't have to use that mode if you don't want to.

I have the S9, so my machine is older and set up differently. There is a clinician manual you can can download. Somebody will be along who will post the link to request that. You will be change any settings that you want. The doctors and equipment providers prefer that we don't know that. But we tend to have better success if we are proactive and find what works best for us, both in therapy and comfort.

There are some other late night posters, but you may find more responses come in the morning.

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by kteague » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:55 am

When I had a loaner unit once it was not a new machine. I can imagine it would be cost prohibitive to use new machines as loaners. The only time this might be an issue is if at the end of the rental period it was decided you need a machine and you were told to keep that one. As far as the odor, you could place a couple drops of pleasant smelling essential oil on a cotton ball behind the machine near the air intake. I've used it off and on for years just because I enjoy it. I started with lavendar because in the world of aromatherapy it is considered relaxing and maybe even sleep inducing. I've seen a couple guys on here before say they purposely purchased a "for her" machine. Let us know how it goes.

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Post by palerider » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:43 am

user232 wrote:I didn't get a reply from the other post, but I'm a male and they gave me a resmed for her unit
The CPAP doesn't actually care what's between your legs.

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by Pugsy » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:53 am

Go here and get the manual
https://sleep.tnet.com/home/files/resme ... -guide.pdf
You can see some data on the machine screen but need to change "Essentials" from usage to plus.
All explained in the manual..as to how to get to all this stuff and make changes.

I saw in one of your other threads that the tech said if the AHI is less than 5 you don't need the machine.
Not true...the AHI reported by the machine is the treated AHI...it's the events that slip past the defenses...that the machine couldn't prevent.

Since they didn't bother to erase prior usage data from other patients it's going to mess with the long term averages in the summary page of SleepyHead but it won't mess with the detailed data which is what is most important to you anyway.

The odor might even be from the machine or hose or humidifier since it is all used and not new.
Nothing you can do except maybe put some essential oils on a cotton ball and place it next to the air intake to help mask the odor.

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by Sheriff Buford » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:58 am

If you start growing breasts, stop using it and take it back

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by Soothest Sleep » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:12 am

I was given a loaner mask that smelled of curry and perfume--despite the resp.tech. saying they carefully clean the loaner equipment before passing on to the next patient. Once we determined the mask was a good fit for me, I handed in the loaner one and obtained a brand new headgear/mask set.

Try washing the mask/headgear and hoses in warm soapy water, daily if necessary, and use white vinegar as well to kill bacteria.

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by SewTired » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:21 am

Press the home button and the big round button at the same time for about 5-7 seconds to get into the clinical menu. Select SETTINGS. Scroll all the way down to ERASE DATA. Select that. It will clear the data on the machine and the SD card and you are good to go.

While you are there, look around. You can choose to change the settings. The For Her model has 3 settings - straight cpap, auto and auto-for-her which is a milder algorithm. There are a couple men on this board that prefer the auto-for-her.

As to the odor in the mask, I would try soaking for 5 minutes in Dawn dishwashing and then rinse with some water with either vinegar or lemon juice and then just water. That should take out that odor.

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Re: they gave me (male) resmed for her unit to rent

Post by Pugsy » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:27 am

SewTired wrote:Press the home button and the big round button at the same time for about 5-7 seconds to get into the clinical menu. Select SETTINGS. Scroll all the way down to ERASE DATA. Select that. It will clear the data on the machine and the SD card and you are good to go
OP has a 3 day loaner and the 3 days' data will be used in the evaluation...if you do the "erase data" thing then his data gets erased also and the 3 day loaner experiment will be a total waste of time.

This isn't a forever machine...just a loaner.
Best thing is to look at the SleepyHead daily detailed reports only and ignore any past user data statistics in the summary statistics or overview graphs.

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Post by palerider » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:51 am

Soothest Sleep wrote:I was given a loaner mask that smelled of curry and perfume--despite the resp.tech. saying they carefully clean the loaner equipment before passing on to the next patient. Once we determined the mask was a good fit for me, I handed in the loaner one and obtained a brand new headgear/mask set.

Try washing the mask/headgear and hoses in warm soapy water, daily if necessary, and use white vinegar as well to kill bacteria.

Jean
New silicone often has a perfumey smell. curry, not so much.

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Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:53 am

Hi All, here are some updates from the first night. Slept about 7 hours (9% awake, 21% REM , 49% light, 21% Deep).
1) It was uncomfortable, and felt like I was having to push and pull against air flow ( not really smooth at all). I got up around 12:30 and took sleep pill to try to fall asleep.
1a) When I took off mask the first time, my nose felt very dry and stuffed, had to blow a few times to try to get breathing normal again.
1b) Also, I'm used to quiet breathing, and this device amplified the breathing noise very loudly -- not like snoring, but more like loud whistling.
2) In the middle of the night, I felt wonderful air flow! Just like Darth Vader, but no separate oxygen supply. It was able to sync/ramp up very nicely in the middle of the night.
3) Got up earlier than normal; tired still, but couldn't really go back to sleep.
4) I noticed that if I moved that nose pillow the wrong way, it no longer had the nice air flow; I felt like I had to manually move it around to get it right.
5) I checked my pulse oximiter, it was consistant with earlier standalone measurements, two very short spike intervals below 88. 0.3% of time below 90.
Using the APAP did not change the oximiter results (pre- no apap) much at all. Good or Bad. Keep in mind I'm trying to validate if I had a false positive overnight.
6) I could not get the oximiter data to sync properly in sleepyhead with the CPAP, so I had to look at oximitry standalone.
7) Using sleepyhead, showed some APAP derived measures
7a) AHI = 1.8

Statistics
Channel Min Med 95% Max
PressureTherapy Pressure (cmH2O)
W-Avg: 6.09 4.02 6.02 8.66 9.76
EPAPExpiratory Pressure (cmH2O)
W-Avg: 4.97 4.02 4.78 6.22 6.76
Minute VentAmount of air displaced per minute (L/min)
W-Avg: 7.75 0.00 6.62 12.38 24.88
Resp. RateRate of breaths per minute (Breaths/min)
W-Avg: 16.94 0.00 16.80 23.40 50.00
Flow LimitGraph showing severity of flow limitations (Severity (0-1))
W-Avg: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.01 0.51
Leak RateRate of detected mask leakage (L/min)
W-Avg: 0.85 0.00 0.00 3.60 62.40
SnoreGraph displaying snore volume (?)
W-Avg: 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.76
Insp. TimeTime taken to breathe in (Seconds)
W-Avg: 1.68 0.06 1.50 2.82 14.68
Exp. TimeTime taken to breathe out (Seconds)
W-Avg: 2.10 0.10 2.04 2.96 5.18
Tidal VolumeAmount of air displaced per breath (ml)
W-Avg: 472.09 0.00 420.00 820.00 1480.00
Pulse RateHeart rate in beats per minute (bpm)
W-Avg: 72.56 0.00 70.00 89.00 115.00
SpO2Blood-oxygen saturation percentage (%)
W-Avg: 94.20 0.00 94.00 96.00 99.00

Not sure if this really validates that I have apnea or not, maybe others can chime in.
9) THanks for all the adjustment suggestions, however
9a) I really don't have much options to change anything as the menu is very fixed with limited selections. Not sure if they program that way via SD card or what, but I don't see any of the suggestions mentioned available.
9b) I'd love to delete the old data, but again I don't want them to complain I did something to the card, as I'm guessing they don't want that. So I'm trying to do minimal mods.

Total time in apnea 00:04:10
Time over leak redline 0.074%

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Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:15 pm

By the way, digging in deeper and looking at the report graphs, shows that the only 2 OA events were when I was first putting on the mask and moving it around... none later during REM. This is sort of consistant with using AAA (vasquez) pulse oximiter method... ie. very little to no OA events. Lots of PC and SD clusters later though, not sure what they denote though.

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Post by user232 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:35 pm

Now I also just realized that the technician was telling me to try the mask several times during the day to help practice breathing with it.
I don't know how or if they isolate the actual sleep time when they get the unit back, but I have a feeling they will just use ALL the days data as sleephead does, which basically contaminates it, IMO.
All the moving around and pulling it on and off during those 'daytime' practice stages is where my 2 events happened.