XXYZX - Plea ALL to IGNORE

It's becoming obvious that xxyzx is hard core and won't stop his disseminating of inaccurate information, nor his rants and ravings. The more we interact WITH him, the worse he gets.

So, I implore everyone (myself included because I haven't stopped either) - stop talking to him. Correct information when needed (and boy is it needed I know), continue the warning threads, but STOP directing any comments TO him.

It's hard because it's human nature to fight back when someone makes such awful comments, but it's obvious he isn't "dealing with a full deck." Even though the internet is supposed to be anonymous, his threats to kill or imprison all of us [insert derogatory term here] should be enough to warn off even the most skeptical or sympathetic among us.

Like all trolls, once he stops getting people to respond to him, he'll give up and go away.

Again, correct the information, but try not to address HIM in any way. That's the only way we'll get rid of him.

Plea ALL to don't make the website look bad. I regularly send customers to this website for self help advice to get them more involved in knowing their equipment other than just turning it on. But I to tell them to take it with a grain of salt and use advise as suggestions.

WRX03 wrote:Plea ALL to don't make the website look bad. I regularly send customers to this website for self help advice to get them more involved in knowing their equipment other than just turning it on. But I to tell them to take it with a grain of salt and use advise as suggestions.

In 99% of the cases, I would agree with you. But this poster is a special kind of BAD and not only gives out inaccurate information, but threatens to kill us all when he takes over the world. Ravings of a lunatic, but he can SOUND knowledgeable. He can be very dangerous to those that are unaware of him.

A request to ignore him is directed at the regular, veterans that engage him and essentially, "egg him on" - myself among them.

I put him on my foe list so I don't see his posts. I suggest everyone do the same and just pretend he doesn't exist.

Then stop starting posts about him. You are just dragging this out by commenting about xyz. There is an ignore button. Please stop commenting about him. Let it die

Madalot wrote:It's becoming obvious that xxyzx is hard core and won't stop his disseminating of inaccurate information, nor his rants and ravings. The more we interact WITH him, the worse he gets.

So, I implore everyone (myself included because I haven't stopped either) - stop talking to him. Correct information when needed (and boy is it needed I know), continue the warning threads, but STOP directing any comments TO him.

It's hard because it's human nature to fight back when someone makes such awful comments, but it's obvious he isn't "dealing with a full deck." Even though the internet is supposed to be anonymous, his threats to kill or imprison all of us [insert derogatory term here] should be enough to warn off even the most skeptical or sympathetic among us.

Like all trolls, once he stops getting people to respond to him, he'll give up and go away.

Again, correct the information, but try not to address HIM in any way. That's the only way we'll get rid of him.

Agree totally, Madalot. There's no way to totally ignore him and protect people from bad information that could sidetrack their treatment at best or do real damage at worst. Maybe mentioning the advice he gave is incorrect/wrong/incomplete and why but not even mentioning his name. I'm sure eventually, or maybe right away after he reads this thread, he'll start responding to even those. But just like a child having a tantrum in a room, even if he starts knocking over stuff, just pick it up and continue to ignore. Eventually he'll stop. But yeah, it is hard. An exercise is determination and conviction!

Cardsfan wrote:Then stop starting posts about him. You are just dragging this out by commenting about xyz. There is an ignore button. Please stop commenting about him. Let it die

As is always the case, although everyone pretty much knows what to do, a few just can't help but engage him (myself included). If everyone stopped engaging him in other threads, it would die out. But he's a pesky little troll, worse than most, and if ONE person responds to him, he keeps going.

And sadly, he's in a LOT of threads, not just trying to get help for himself but supposedly giving advice (sometimes BAD advice) to others. People need to remember to CORRECT his inaccuracies, but not address him directly.

Yes, continuing to post about him keeps it going and I will NOT start any more threads regarding it. And while I respect your viewpoint on this, I felt this was an important thing to remind everyone of.

And as to the foe button, I've said this many times: When someone quotes him (which someone always does) you still see it. And since he is quoted a LOT, the foe button is pretty much useless in my opinion. Just my 2 cents on that one.

This is THE END of it. We have better things ahead.

Bump to Clear

Here's my thoughts and my plans on how to deal with this troll (and yes, that's what I feel he is and I am entitled to my opinion and to voice it just like anyone else) since freedom of speech is still available on this forum and Johnny is really into the freedom of speech thing and since this is his sandbox we gotta play with the trolls if Johnny doesn't see fit to kick them out of the sand box just yet.
Troll is actually a very mild adjective/noun for what I truly feel about this guy. Forum policy prohibits profanity though...so I will try to be a lady for once.

We can correct the misinformation or incomplete information this troll spews without personally attacking him. It won't stop him from attacking us right back and calling us names and insulting us but I personally get a little pleasure by not getting down in the mud with him and doing what he does. I am better than that despite what he wants to call me (and I know this will get a response but I don't care, I have been called worse by better men than he could ever dream to be).

Quote only the misinformation, incorrect information, incomplete information so to make a point shown that it's only the information that is in question.

Attack the message...not the messenger. When you attack the messenger it brings you down to his level in the mud pit.
2 wrongs don't make a right no matter how justified one feels for that second wrong. I know it is very, very, very hard to not respond in kind when attacked.

So just correct the misinformation (and I know it's a full time job and I know I have been missing some of it because I don't see his posts except by chance because he is on my Foe list...I have to do it to help my blood pressure) in a polite concise post and don't let yourself get lured into throwing mud if at all possible. He loves to throw the mud and you are just giving him ammunition when you argue with him and for me...I get a little pleasure knowing that I am not throwing mud right back at him to give him more mud to throw. I refuse to supply him with more ammunition. I know it won't stop him from just getting his own but I won't be giving him any.

Some of you like to poke trolls for the fun of it. I don't. I find no enjoyment in that sort of activity but if you do...hey...Johnny has made it crystal clear that what he thinks about freedom of speech and you have the right to do whatever you want in terms of poking trolls.
The same rights that are keeping this guy here spouting his crap also allow you to do what you wish.
If you want to add warnings to your signature line...hey...again...you have the right to do it. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Does it make it "right"...I dunno but it is the way it is and people are going to do and say what they want to do anyway and I am not going to judge.

Do I wish he would go away...you bet your sweet ass I wish that because this level of disruption in this forum makes it a very bad place IMHO and it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. If he isn't stopped I don't know what will happen to this forum but we can't stop him...only the Goodman's can do that and until they have had enough disruption and can value the forum more than one person's "freedom of speech" thing...there's not a damn thing we can do about it unless we decide to leave and if we do that then guess who gets to sit over in the corner gloating over his "beating the bullies and libtards". I really haven't got to the point where I want to allow him to "win" that way. I may later but I am not there yet. I have registered at another cpap help forum though...and I may just start spending more time over there and not here simply because I get tired of the bad taste in my mouth.

So my plan (at least for now but is always subject to modification) is to attack the message and not directly attack the messenger and attempt to not comment to him directly. It's a waste of time anyway and I really don't like to waste my time. It's my personal plan and what I can live with. Doesn't mean that I am telling anyone else what plan they should adopt.

Now those of you who don't mind wasting your time and get pleasure out of sparring with trolls/assholes/racist pigs...go for it.
Maybe given enough rope this guy will eventually hang himself in the Goodman's eyes. In the past troublemakers have been banned so I know that they will do it when pushed far enough. I can only pray that they will see the light sooner than later after this forum becomes the least frequented cpap forum on the internet instead of the most active one.

And that is pretty much the extent of my response about what I feel about this situation. It's going to be hard...I know that because my first instinct when slapped is to slap back and with a 2 X 4 in my hands.
We can't let the misinformation go unchallenged...forum veterans know him for what he is but it's the guests and the newbies who might read his crap that worries me so we can't just totally ignore him but we can correct the misinformation in a manner that doesn't give him more ammunition for his crazy rants and tirades. That is what I am going to try to do. I don't know how successful I will be because I am human and I do get pissed and I do sometimes simply start swinging that 2 X 4. I will try though and that's about the best I can do right now.

Each of us has to decide how we want to deal with the issue and if it's poke the troll..then poke the troll...if it's more along the lines of what I want to try to do...then do that...or come up with something on your own.
He won't go away just because we don't feed the troll. That won't work with this special kind of person. He's not stable mentally and that opens up a whole new can of worms when it comes to dealing with him.

Grayghost4 said this dude a while back. I had to look them up to see what they meant. Take a peek if you haven't already.

Graphomania in combination with the Dunning-Kruger affesct in going on here.

Fits him to a tee and a bit scary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphomania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect

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Pugsy, wow, the information at those links hits this dead on.

As for you post . . . +1 here.

WearyOne wrote:.
Pugsy, wow, the information at those links hits this dead on.

As for you post . . . +1 here.

Agreed. Nice job Pugsy.

ddidn't want to mess up the other thread:

xxyzx wrote:

kismet1 wrote:I have been using my CPAP machine for 2 months and have consistently had AHI numbers below 1.0. However, I have been getting major leaks showing on Sleepy Head that have gone as high as 24% while my AHI numbers have remained low. Should I be concerned about the leaks if my AHI numbers remain low? Do major leaks prevent the machine from detecting AHIs - are my low AHI numbers erroneous because of the high number of majoy leaks? Also my leaks seem to be intermittent - have major leaks during a period of an hour or so and then the leaks disappear for the rest of the night. Is this a sign of mouth breathing?

Thanks!
CPAP: Resmed AirSense 10 for Her
Autoset
Minimum pressure 6 cmH2Oa
Maximum pressure 20 cmH2O
Humidifier setting at 7
Pressure range 6.0 - 12.5 cmH2O
Avg Pressure 9.07 cmH2O

Mask: Resmed AirFit N20 Nasal Mask

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the machine compensates for leaks
UP to a point where it cant

if you AHI is low and you have leaks then the machine adjusted for them
if it cant adjust then they will show up as AHs

yes , mouth breathing can show up as leaks

1st: if you use a pillow or nasal mask mouth breathing WILL ALWAYS show up as leak! (not can, not may, not whatsoever - IT WILL ALWAYS!)
2nd: the machine compensates only in terms of airflow / pressure for leaks - nothing more! How much depends on the machine and the pressure range: a "plain" CPAP or APAP with a maximum pressure of 20 and running @ 18cmH20 under leakage can compensate way less than running @ 5 cmH20 - or a ASV / BIPAP @ 18!

For an APAP any kind of leakage is bad. The machines HAVE TO MEASURE the respiratory flow precisely in order to do their thing - adjust the pressure. Around leaks and during leaks there is no longer "exact" measurement - just guessing. For a plain CPAP it is not that important because all they do, is keep the pressure steady. (Event detection is just a gimmick - simply because they can!)

3rd:

if it cant adjust then they will show up as AHs

that is plain bullshit! - as usual from you! ... if it reaches the threshold it gets flagged as "large leak" - nothing more.
There are no hypopneas or apneas showing up, just because the leakage is high enough!

Everything "detected" or "measured" aroung leaks is just a wild speculation by the machines - nothing more.
It is mathematically and physically impossible to calculate (or derive) small and or very fast changing leaks!
We all know the farting noises the masks can make on smaller leaks. There simply is no way to make the absolute distinction between these very fast changing (and not that big) leaks and flowlimitations or beginning, mild snoring. Mathematically and physically impossible!
Another thing is apnea distinction: there is no way the FOT works under leaks - if you increase the pressure during leakage the flow will always increase - that's basic physics. (Yes, ResMed has their UA-thingy ... makes no difference as a "mixed" apnea during times of 0 leakage still gets classified as UA. ... although most of them might just be artefacts, but ResMed does not care for those.)

All in all: Your post is total crap!
On APAP with about one fourth of the time under large leak! - The AHI has no real meaning there!
It is not far fetched to assume that these leaks appear in the higher pressure ranges and quite obviously in the deeper sleep stages (otherwise they would have been fixed) where events are much more likely - this leads to only one conclusion: the machine is missing a lot of events!

(I have popcorn in the microwave and some beer in the fridge and on TV is only atheletics WM)

Madalot wrote:

WearyOne wrote:.
Pugsy, wow, the information at those links hits this dead on.

As for you post . . . +1 here.

Agreed. Nice job Pugsy.

+2 - Just recently saw those links. Sure explains a lot!

Pugsy wrote:Here's my thoughts and my plans on how to deal with this troll (and yes, that's what I feel he is and I am entitled to my opinion and to voice it just like anyone else)

although I respect your opinion, I consider that as an insult to all real trolls.
Trolls do like discussion and never avoid them.

lets take a simple example:

xxyzx: black is white.
someone else: no it's not. black is black - that is why it is called black and not white.
xxyzx: you are a libtard. I only post facts ... blablabla.

the same discussion with a real troll would be more like this:

troll: black is white.
someone else: no it's not. black is black - that is why it is called black and not white.
troll: well, actually the colors are measured by the reflected or emitted wavelength. As there is no such thing as no emissions at all or the perfect black, even black emits something. In fact even black holes emit the hawking radiation. Thus white in a very dark room could emit the same as black in a bright room.
someone else: that is just stupid. black is never white and white never gets black. If you can't see anything, you can't see colors.
troll: well, .....

and so on.

Huge difference. Trolls do like to provoke insults and turmoil but they don't start with that on the very 2nd post.
What xxyzx does, is simply spamming - nothing more. A spammer is not a troll - it is just spam.