Acid Reflux vs Apnea

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Acid Reflux vs Apnea

Post by G00fy217 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:04 am

Ok... I was diagnosed last year around this time with Acid Reflux..... and quite honestly before cpap, I was having nightly episodes of Acid Reflux. I actually couldn't eat anything after 8pm otherwise I was in for a bad night! I would have to prop up my pillows (4 - 5 pillows high), So basically I was sleeping sitting up and still experiencing the Acid Reflux! It was gross! I am on all sorts of meds to take care of it, but nothing seems to work. However, I have noticed that since I have been on cpap, I have not yet had an episode of Acid Reflux! I am so happy!! And, I am able to eat later than 8pm and not have an episode either!!! Yeah!!! So, today I have decided to not take the Acid Reflux meds to see if maybe all along my problem wasn't the Acid Reflux, but OSA instead! What do you guys think? I have a feeling I will not experience the Acid Reflux tonight (I am hoping, atleast) and then I can get rid of those meds (atleast I won't have to spend that extra $$ for nothing)!!!

Ok... well... I just thought I try it out and see what happens, I will let you all know!
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Post by Liam1965 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:18 am

Good luck. Reflux sucks. Keep in mind that depending on your reflux medication, some of them take a few days to get out of your system. Specifically the PPIs like Prilosec and Nexium may have acid inhibiting properties for a couple of days, so one night with no symptoms after not taking the medication may not tell you anything.

Also, keep in mind that reflux can cause symptomless problems. Just because you're not feeling the heartburn or the acidy throat doesn't mean you aren't refluxing slightly and increasing your risk of some nasty things like throat cancer.

So while I definitely hope for the best for you, I'd check with your doctor before making any permanent changes in your lifestyle, and make sure you track the changes over time to make sure you've not traded in SEVERE reflux for MODERATE reflux, which still does some damage.

Good luck!

Liam, who really sounds more like a physician than he should. He's not. Even if his Jewish mother wishes he was.

(For reference, I'm not actually Jewish. I do, however, have a friend who regularly comments on how "my (his) Jewish mother wishes I'd been a doctor.")

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Post by G00fy217 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:31 am

Liam,

Thank you!! I will take your advice and see how it goes for a few days! Maybe give it til Monday! If it still seems good, I will let my doc know and see what he has to say!

I appreciate your concern You are just way too sweet!!!
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Post by Sharper75 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:00 am

I was diagnosed with sleep apnea over 13 years ago, and have been on a cpap ever since.
Acid reflux was a very big problem with me also.
I'd wake up in the middle of the night, choking, thinking I was going to sufficate.
I can honestly say that since I've been using my cpap, I have not had 1, (Not 1) episode of acid reflux. I can even eat something right before bed, and I still do not suffer.
Whoever invented the cpap was pure genius, not to mention having to endure the alternative, Surgery, the way the surgical proceedure was explained to me, it is quite extensive and recovery quite painful.
You'll be amazed how much better in the morning you'll feel after getting a very good nights sleep.
Sometime it takes awhile to get used to the machine, but after you do, beleive me, you'll be a changed person.

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:01 am

G00fy,

I've tried to get off my reflux meds but the reflux eventually comes back. You do not have to take them all the time. Try stopping and if it comes back start up again. That way maybe you'll use less of the prescription each month and save a little money. Those good reflux meds aren't cheap.
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Post by G00fy217 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:19 am

Muckmeister,

That's what I was thinking of doing..... It just would be nice if I don't need to use them at all!! I was really getting tired of the episodes and being an Italian.... we eat all the time!! And the Holidays... OMG.... I had to stop eating when the eating was getting good!!

But, like last night..... we got home late after my son's basketball game, it was already 8pm and I didn't have time to stop to pickup anything before the game. So, needless to say I had to start cooking at 8pm and by the time it was ready to eat it was almost 9pm. I wasn't going to eat, but after serving my boys and smelling my wonderful cooking (garlic cooking throughout the house.... MMMM good!!) I made Chicken Vesuvio and my boys were teasing me with the food, that I decided the heck with it... I am going to eat a little bit - I was starving! So I did and I didn't have an episode.... so, I started thinking, do I really need to take the meds? That's when I decided, let's give it a try and see what happens..... it would be nice if somehow cpap is the miracle cure for acid reflux, wouldn't it be?

Well... now that I made myself hungry again.... I think I will go eat my left over from last night!! And make everyone at the hotel hungry too!!!
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Post by loonlvr » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:22 pm

I only have had a few episodes with acid reflux . It was when I had my humidifier up to high. Guess it was all the moisture. I experimented and found the right setting.

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Post by Guest » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:33 pm

Loon,

I never had a humidifier before and during acid reflux..... just had it per the doc "due to being "overweight"" Everything is due to being overweight or obese!!! And I really don't feel that over weight!! I mean I see people that one leg is bigger than my body..... that to me is obese or overweight! So, being 20-35 pounds over the "normal" weight is considered overweight and unhealthy!!!

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Osa- reflux and rebound

Post by tomjax » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:10 pm

Many discover their reflux is suddenly cured after going on cpap.
The PPI's such as nexium, prilosec, etc do an excellent job of supressing acid production in the stomach, but at a HIGH price.

It is not generally recognized that there is a rebound effect not unlike visine and afrin when used to excess.

The problem then becomes that the purple pill causes reflux and it is a real problem to get off it.

Those such as myself who had severe reflux for many years got immediate relief from reflux. I rarely take anything beyong tums a couple of times a week.

The problem is that many in the past few years got on the purple pill and then when the cpap stopped the reflux, it comes back if the purple pill is discontinued.

My wife went to a doc with asthma and coughing. She never had reflux, but they gave it to her in case she was not aware of the reflux and it was causing the asthma/cough.

I told her to try to get off the nexium, but the reflux came back very bad a few days later even though she never had reflux to start.

This is a big problem. Anyone who has ever tried to get off afrin knows what i mean.
Sometimes the cure is worse than the problem.

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Post by glassgal » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:57 pm

Hi G00fy217,

I was taking OTC Prilosec every night prior to CPAP. I take nothing but an occasionan Tums now. My titrated pressure is 14, but has been running lower since I got my auto (PB420e). I always use humidity, and it never occured to me that there would be a relationship there, something to think about! I can eat things now that I would never have before bed -- tomato sauce being a prime example! I am always happy to drop a med!

Give it a try without the reflux meds -- it worked for me. I am not a doctor (thanks rested gal) and tomjax has some good points also -- you know your body though!

Sleep well,

Jane

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Post by chrisp » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:14 pm

I'd try to not eat after 6 pm if thats doable. Also , Try raising the head of your bed a few inches with a phone book or 2x4 block. Worked for me and a lot cheaper than prilosec .
Try to avoid oily foods and tomatoes also. Just learn what you can and cannot eat. It works wonders.

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Post by wading thru the muck! » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:29 pm

Chris,

How 'bout chicken? can I eat chicken? or eggs? can I eat eggs?

I heard the brown eggs will give you gas, is that true?

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Post by chrisp » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:44 pm

Brown eggs, Just turn them inside out . They're all white on the inside. Or just leave them out in the snow and they'll turn white.

Seriously, we all can't eat anything we want no matter what the drug company adverts tell us.

Even you Wader.

Cheers ,

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Post by Liam1965 » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:57 pm

wading thru the muck! wrote:I heard the brown eggs will give you gas, is that true?
This is absolutely true, if, and only if, white eggs do as well. Nutritionally, brown and white eggs are identical, so I've read. The color of the shell varies based on the diet of the chicken and the breed, but a chicken egg is a chicken egg is a chicken egg.

Liam. If this turns out to be wrong, he'll have egg on his face.

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Post by chrisp » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:02 pm

To tell what color a chickens eggs will be look at their ears. White = white eggs. Brown or red = brown eggs. Americunas lay colored eggs. All eggs are white till the chicken paints them brown on the way out the gate . Also all eggs have the same amount of shell. Its thick on small eggs. Stretched thin on large eggs.

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