Magnets to treat osa

roster · Post by **roster** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:40 pm

Subject: Can magnets stop snoring?
by ROGER DOBSON, Daily Mail 12:15pm 10th January 2006
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1774

OK, I am in a desperate hurry for this osa cure! Can't wait for FDA approval!

Some of you who are great with modifying masks, headgear, hoses, pillows: please give me instructions for rigging a couple of magnets in my airway!

Ellen · Post by **Ellen** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:30 pm

I have studied magnets extensively and used them for back and neck pain following broken vertebrae in both. I also use a large ceramic one on the negative side to hold against my temple if I get a headache that is not flu related. Magnets definitely have their place as a natural healing therapy, but neither my PCP or back Dr. can find a "fixable" reason for OSA - mine seems to have started when I had to start sleeping flat on back with just a small cervical pillow for back pain - I cannot think of a way magnets could help you - but if you already have the magnets, tape a strong one to the front of your neck and you tell us if it helps!!

What magnets basically do is "get the blood circulating" better in areas of damage, resulting in faster healing and pain relief...........I just cannot see how that would apply to OSA, but would like to know results if you try it

roster · Post by **roster** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:19 pm

Ellen,

Read the article. My post was in jest but the work with magnets is very serious. It is not what you are thinking. It is about using implanted repelling magnets to hold the airway open. IMHO, this could be a big breakthrough for many cpap patients.

That reminds me I need to get around to schedule my first Wyoming excursion.

Regards,

rooster

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:41 pm

I would think people who have this surgery done will have to carry a card with them stating their bodies contain metal that may set off metal detectors. Would save those people from a lot of strip searches, I would think .

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:40 pm

Maybe you could hook up an external coil and an amplifer so that you could snore or at least hum in tune.

Gidgie · Post by **Gidgie** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:58 pm

Touche, Guest.........Seriously, I need a laugh really bad.......last two days have not been so good.......O.K. back up a little here........Interesting about the magnets......The jewelry I make contains a lot of hematite....the regular, not magnetic stuff..........Supprising how many people come looking for the magnetic stuff.......as a healing stone........I don't make any claims either way.......I wear a plain ol' hematite nugget, myself.......the regular kind.

3isles · Post by **3isles** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:07 am

this magnet thing is fascinating. In the 70's a friend of my parents had invented (on a team at MIT) a thing with magnets to help babies born with detached esophagus. As I remember it (and it was a long time ago) they surgically attached magnets to the two ends that should have been attached and it stretched them towards each other as the baby grew until the ends were close enough together to be sutured.

I can believe that magnets could work to keep the airway open for apneas depending on where the closure problem is.

Cathy

tomjax · Post by **tomjax** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:24 am

The magnet in the throat would also help if you swallowed nails.

I put the use of magnets in bones and other medical conditions right up there with copper bracelets and tthe tooth fairy.
The placebo effect is very powerful and some people will buy into anything if it has a promise.
What did P T Barnum say?
This has been validated every time you turn around.

Just think about magnets being placed in the throat!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:49 am

Magnets oriented to repel (i.e., adjacent same poles), placed on opposite sides of an airway could in theory help to hold it open. The reasons this will never work are: human airways are not that easily defined; and it would be impossible to keep multiple small magnets in proper orientation embedded in tissue, where they would over time tend to shift around so that their poles attracted rather than repelled.

When it comes to structural solutions to OSA, there is more hope for devices like the Pillar--and maybe for embedded "meshes."

With respect to other conditions, I also doubt that magnets can encourage blood flow--why would they?

Amigo · Post by **Amigo** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:38 pm

tomjax wrote:The magnet in the throat would also help if you swallowed nails.

I put the use of magnets in bones and other medical conditions right up there with copper bracelets and tthe tooth fairy.
The placebo effect is very powerful and some people will buy into anything if it has a promise.
What did P T Barnum say?
This has been validated every time you turn around.

Just think about magnets being placed in the throat!!!

I could not agree with you more, tomjax.

There has been ZERO medical proof or support for this quackery.

The placebo effect is indeed powerful, however, so if someone believes they are benefitting, good for them...just so long as it's not a potentially life-threatening condition for which magnets, aromatherapy, or crystal amulets will do nothing but delay real treatment.

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:04 am

TIC Post ...

Just imagine if we ended up with very powerful but small rare earth magnets embedded in our throats & a coil wrapped around our neck in a kind of skivvy style shirt.

The coil could be pulsed to manipulate the embedded rare earth magnet such that our airways open & close properly and remove the OSA threat.

But, I can just picture the day a poor sufferer walks to close to any powerful magnet anywhere (perhaps those frames we have to walk through for airport security checks). So here our poor fool comes set to Nth polarity upwards & south polarity down, walks through the security frame gets pulsed with a strong fixed Sth Nth field & flips upside down !!!.

DSM

(TIC = Tongue in Cheek)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:52 am

WOW! What a thought!

roster · Post by **roster** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:41 pm

Anonymous wrote:Magnets oriented to repel (i.e., adjacent same poles), placed on opposite sides of an airway could in theory help to hold it open. The reasons this will never work are: human airways are not that easily defined; and it would be impossible to keep multiple small magnets in proper orientation embedded in tissue, where they would over time tend to shift around so that their poles attracted rather than repelled.

When it comes to structural solutions to OSA, there is more hope for devices like the Pillar--and maybe for embedded "meshes."

With respect to other conditions, I also doubt that magnets can encourage blood flow--why would they?

Dear Guest,

Sorry you didn't identify yourself because IMHO your post and 3isles' post are the most logical. I do believe there is some hope for the magnet procedure that is being tested. This procedure is not to be confused with the current hokum about magnets/blood flow/arthritis. Amigo and Tomjax evaluated that nonsense correctly.

Also Guest, tell us about the Pillar procedure. I am interested and will start a new post on the Pillar procedure.

Regards,

rooster

RestInSeattle · Post by **RestInSeattle** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:39 pm

This worries me as you hear about this at the same time as the Magnetix toy recall. The toy has small magnets that if they come loose can be swallowed by children.

The power of the magnets is sufficient that if two are swallowed, they'll attract to each other while in different sections of the intestine and erode the walls between in order to complete the cycle of attraction. The overall effect? Several severely injured or deceased children.

What's to prevent failure of the positioning of the magnets in the study and have a bad result of the trial? I wouldn't sign up for this study.

john5757 · Post by **john5757** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:10 pm

Every study has some risks.
I work in in a magnetic audio loop at work and I never given a thought about magnetic exposure over long term. Implanting some magmatic materials in the body may work or not for the benefits. I am for all simple ideas to see if it can be a solution to a problem. If a simple idea can work the cost is more likely be lower than any high tech solutions. I rarely find any perfect solutions for some of the medical situations I face.

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