[Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.

Which nasal pillow mask do you use? These are the top 9 from cpap.com.

Swift FX
12
16%
AirFit P10
49
67%
GoLife
0
No votes
Breeze SleepGear
0
No votes
Nuance & Nuance Pro
4
5%
TAP PAP
1
1%
Opus 360
0
No votes
Mirage Swift
0
No votes
Aloha Nasal
2
3%
I use a mask not listed above - add in reply
5
7%
 
Total votes: 73

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[Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by yaconsult » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:31 pm

When I got my new airsense 10 auto a couple of weeks ago, I was able to try out some other nasal pillow systems instead of the Breeze pillows I have been using for some years.

I could only try them for a relatively short period while sitting in a recliner in the office.

I tried the swift first and it seemed pretty good. I liked that it had adjustments in several places.

Then I tried the airfit and it also seemed good - maybe even better than the swift but it's hard to tell without sleeping with these masks. I think the main concern I had about the airfit was that there were no adjustments anywhere. But after watching the videos, it seems like there is a bit of adjustment in how far apart you spread the straps that go on top and back of head but I didn't know this when I was trying it.

I think I'm getting more leaks that I want with the swift perhaps because the body of the mask is too flexible. I feel like I need to adjust it often. I hardly ever need to adjust the Breeze.

I am thinking of calling the DME and seeing if I can exchange the swift for the airfit. I would appreciate to hear the experiences of others who have used either or both of these masks, especially in regards to the fit and adjustability and how they wear. Does the airfit stretch out over time? Did I see some posts of tricks people used to tighten them up? I'm not above "hacking" or tweaking masks to get more use out of them and have done so before with the Breeze.

Thanks for any advice!

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:56 pm

Just curious, why are you looking to switch from the Breeze nasal pillows?

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by yaconsult » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:46 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:Just curious, why are you looking to switch from the Breeze nasal pillows?
It's a fair question - do you use the Breeze? I wonder if any of the newer masks might work even better than the Breeze - the Breeze has been out for many years now. Having switched from the 550P to airsense 10 makes it a bit harder to compare masks before and after because I've changed both machine and mask.

It looks like there have been improvements to the Breeze in that they don't seem to break where they always did at the bottom of the arm. And the Breeze does have the best hose routing of all the masks I've seen. Does anyone using the swift or airfit also use a hose hanger and, if so, where?

Maybe I should just get a new Breeze instead. I just haven't been really happy with the Swift FX in terms of the seal I get and the way the nosepiece flexes. I have been trying to use my hose hanger with it but I'm not sure that doing so is a good idea with this type of mask.

I wish I could afford to just buy all three and use them and settle on one over time, but I don't have that option right now. It seems in my reading here that the airfit is pretty popular so I will be interested in the poll results.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:02 am

i used the Breeze for several years, then switched to an Airfit P10. I just ordered a new Breeze, but was told by the DME that they couldn't get it anymore. Evidently, 2 years ago, one company stopped making the Breeze, then another company took it over, but the DME said the new company wasn't going to continue making it either. The reason I like the Breeze is that there is nothing on the sides of the face, which alleviates TMJ problems. The DME sent me 2 sets of headgear. I stopped using it because headgear broke in the past and I wasn't able to get parts.

For the last 1.5 years, I have used an Airft P10. It is so lightweight that you barely know you have a mask on. The major advantages the Breeze had is the routing of the hose and there being nothing on the side, so it's easier to lay on the side of the face. The P10 hose doesn't even swivel, so it feels like an elephant trunk. However, it slips on and off in seconds, which is GREAT when nature wakes me up and I have to scoot to the loo instantly. If you're used to the mini-air-conditioning from the Breeze exhalation vent, the P10's exhalation vent feels like no air is coming out. However, it works fine and doesn't send out lots of excess cold air. That is a major difference.

I just switched back to the Breeze last night, since I just got a new one. I think my AHI numbers are higher with the Breeze, and I constantly kept having to adjust it last night. I'm going to try it one more night so I can get some comparison numbers in Sleepyhead, but I think I will be saving the Breeze for occasions when my TMJ problems flare up.

The Breeze has the sturdiest nasal pillows of the masks I've tried. I used the P10 for 1.5 years without changing nasal pillows, so its nasal pillows seem pretty sturdy too. The other nasal pillow masks I've tried are listed in my profile or signature. I found that the Swift LT nasal pillows collapsed after a few weeks of use, years ago. I looked at a Swift FX mask but the nasal pillows didn't look sturdy to me, so I passed.

My next mask will probably be a replacement of the Airfit P10. I haven't done anything special to make it fit better. The spacing of the straps will make a difference in fit and I think that is about the only adjustment the mask allows I haven't tried a hose hanger with it.

I just switched this month from using the PR System One Autoset for 5.5 years to the A10 Autoset for Her. I think I am getting therapy with the A10 with the P10 mask.

Good luck with your mask search.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by RogerSC » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:03 am

yaconsult wrote: Maybe I should just get a new Breeze instead. I just haven't been really happy with the Swift FX in terms of the seal I get and the way the nosepiece flexes. I have been trying to use my hose hanger with it but I'm not sure that doing so is a good idea with this type of mask.
I've used a hose hanger with the Swift FX for a long time now. Couldn't manage the hose without it, I tried. Having the hose coming down from the sky in the middle of my pillow is great, no having to wind it around, or worry about where it is on my bed. I'm a side sleeper, and move around a bunch when I sleep, so again, having the hose coming down from above rather than winding itself around me as I move around is a much easier way to manage it.

Everyone's different, but the hose hanger works great for me with any mask that I've tried (just nasal and nasal pillow masks).

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by OkyDoky » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:26 am

I tried the Swift Fx but the design where the hose attaches directly to the pillows, instead of to a frame, pulled on the pillows and I would have to reposition a lot at night. Also the venting really blows air.
I switched to the P10 and haven't looked back. For me it fits well without strap marks that last all morning. It is so light you hardly know it's there and venting is very quiet. I've had the same headgear for about 8 months and just wash occasionally. With my bipap pressures of 15/11 the P10 pillows rarely move and have to be repositioned and most of the time I do that in my sleep. The leaks are minimal to none.
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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by grayghost4 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:51 am

I seem to be the only one using the F&P Pilairo Q and love it
I have tried the P10 and Swift FX ... the FX is Ok but the Q is more stable for me

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fp-pil ... -mask.html
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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by Pugsy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:06 am

yaconsult wrote:I am thinking of calling the DME and seeing if I can exchange the swift for the airfit. I would appreciate to hear the experiences of others who have used either or both of these masks, especially in regards to the fit and adjustability and how they wear. Does the airfit stretch out over time? Did I see some posts of tricks people used to tighten them up?
My own personal progression of nasal pillow mask use over the past 6 years with newest first. With minor diversions to experiment but these were my main primary masks.
AirFit P10 now since Jan 2014
Tap Pap
Swift FX
Swift LT (first started cpap therapy with it and used it for about a year before the Swift FX was released)

Yes, the AirFit headgear does seem to stretch a bit over time. Stretches enough that I will take it and wash it in really hot water (by hand) and let it air dry to get it to snug up a little. That's the only trick I need to do to make it work.
It's still worn very loosely though.
Can't believe that when I first started wearing it that my main complaint was that the headgear was "too tight" but remember I was coming from the Tap Pap use for about 10 months with no headgear at all.

I think each mask has pros and cons and my pros might be someone else's cons.
Example....I will give up a little stability to have less on my face and head.

I think that if a person is interested in a mask (any mask) that they should try it if at all possible because if they don't they will likely always be "what iffing"....what if I really like it or what if I really hate it.
I have tried almost all the nasal masks out there and even the nasal prong mask. Some I hated and some I liked and was successful with but it wasn't enough to dislodge my primary mask at the time. The Aloha was a really nice mask...reminded me of the Swift LT but perhaps an improved Swift LT but wasn't enough to kick the front runner at the time...the Swift FX.. out of first place.

There are ways to try different masks without breaking the bank.
CPAP.com and return insurance (sometimes free and sometimes at a small cost)
EBAY or Amazon ...just have to know which mask parts make up the mask (EBay) and sometimes you get lucky and find the entire mask.
Ask on the forum here. There's always going to be someone who doesn't like a particular mask and you might find a gently used mask here for cheap or free. The nasal pillows can be bought separately if used creeps you out too much.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by deerslayer » Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:34 am

we all go through an evolution of trying to find the holy grail of the perfect interface to suit our needs while having to choose another near perfect mask after the previous was discontinued ... or the next great NEW one rolls down the pike.
Adapt & Overcome. The main deal is that we all want our therapy to succeed & that we have this Awesome Forum to compare notes while trying to ignore some juvenile posts & comments that are counter productive .
Thank You for Posting this one. Rock On
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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by yaconsult » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:33 am

OkyDoky wrote:I tried the Swift Fx but the design where the hose attaches directly to the pillows, instead of to a frame, pulled on the pillows and I would have to reposition a lot at night. Also the venting really blows air.
I switched to the P10 and haven't looked back. For me it fits well without strap marks that last all morning. It is so light you hardly know it's there and venting is very quiet. I've had the same headgear for about 8 months and just wash occasionally. With my bipap pressures of 15/11 the P10 pillows rarely move and have to be repositioned and most of the time I do that in my sleep. The leaks are minimal to none.
Thank you for your description of what's happening with the pillows on the swift - that's what I was trying to say. The part that holds the pillows doesn't rigidly stay in position. And I also seemed to be adjusting it a lot.

According to the DME, large is the biggest size available for both the swift and airfit while the breeze has extra large pillows available. I have used both the large and extra large at different times. Then again, the same "expert" at the DME said that the only difference in the "for her" model was the color and the flowers!

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by yaconsult » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:46 am

grayghost4 wrote:I seem to be the only one using the F&P Pilairo Q and love it
I have tried the P10 and Swift FX ... the FX is Ok but the Q is more stable for me

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fp-pil ... -mask.html
That's an interesting looking mask. Which of the two headgear choices do you use?

It's hard to tell without seeing it in person, but from the product page at https://www.fphcare.co.nz/sleep-apnea/m ... pilairo-q/, it looks like it's almost like a really small nasal mask rather than a pillow mask, as we usually think of it - having an accordion-like pillow under the nose.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by SunnyBeBe » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:00 am

I guess you like what works. I started with Nuance Pro Gel Pillows on June 5 this year. My AHI has ranged from .1 to 1., with most being under .5 most nights. I'm not sure if I should try to do any better. I thought I would keep steady for another couple of months. Would another brand help me get to zero AHI?
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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by yaconsult » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:48 am

SunnyBeBe wrote:I guess you like what works. I started with Nuance Pro Gel Pillows on June 5 this year. My AHI has ranged from .1 to 1., with most being under .5 most nights. I'm not sure if I should try to do any better. I thought I would keep steady for another couple of months. Would another brand help me get to zero AHI?
Don't try to "chase the numbers". The important thing is how rested you feel in the morning. Due to many factors, nights with zero AHI are unusual for most people. When they happen, great! But as long as you feel rested and your AHI is under 5 or so without major leaks, you're getting good therapy.

The mask choice has more to do with comfort and especially leaks. If your mask is comfortable and annoying leaks aren't disturbing you and you don't find yourself fiddling with the mask a lot, then you've got something that works for you.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by Pugsy » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:48 am

SunnyBeBe wrote:Would another brand help me get to zero AHI?
What do you think will happen if you do attain an AHI of 0.0? The "miracle"? I wish it were that easy to get the miracle.
SunnyBeBe wrote:I guess you like what works
It's human nature to recommend what works well for each person. That's why there is a big YMMV sticker on pretty much every thing that pertains to cpap.
In reality what works well for one person may be a total flop for the next person.

Though I do think that if you are curious and just want to try something new if for no other reason than to see if you like it better or it lets you sleep better or helps you feel better.....that's a good enough reason to try something new.
I have tried lots of masks that looked "interesting" and I was just curious. I always learned something from those experiments...sometimes I learned more about my individual preferences and sometimes I learned that while I could use so and so mask successfully it wasn't something I really wanted to use ....and finally sometimes all I learned was just how bad I hated the mask.

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Re: [Poll] and Seeking advice on Swift FX and AirFit P10

Post by RogerSC » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:00 pm

yaconsult wrote:
grayghost4 wrote:I seem to be the only one using the F&P Pilairo Q and love it
I have tried the P10 and Swift FX ... the FX is Ok but the Q is more stable for me

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/fp-pil ... -mask.html
That's an interesting looking mask. Which of the two headgear choices do you use?
Good question, I'm curious to hear more about the new Pilairo Q headgear as well. Although it isn't so new anymore, there's so much competition with the ResMed nasal pillow masks, that you just don't hear much about the Pilairo. The only other comment I think that I've heard about the Q is that it is heavier than the original Pilairo.

It's also about the only nasal pillow mask that I haven't tried *smile*.