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CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by Papit » Fri May 01, 2015 10:25 pm

Well, it finally happened. After three years use of my Contec CMS-50F it informed me by its incessant loud beeping that it is going into "retirement" (graveyard"). It also refused to illuminate its screen. I had been using the 50F to insert pulse and oxygen graphs into SH, time synchronized with the standard SH graphs. And it worked nicely using the instruction set in my signature block.

So now I'm about to order a new unit but need some feedback from y'all using the latest version of SH,v0.9.8-1 with either the NEWER model CMS-50F or the CMS-50i.

1. Has anybody had success inserting pulse-ox data into the latest SH version using their OLD model 50F? --or the NEW model 50F? --or model 50i?

2. Were any work-arounds needed? If so, what were they?

3. Has anybody successfully inserted pulse-ox data from any other brand that has the same or similar worn-on-the-wrist-overnight design as does the 50F and 50i ?

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Fri May 01, 2015 10:58 pm

Papit wrote:Well, it finally happened. After three years use of my Contec CMS-50F it informed me by its incessant loud beeping that it is going into "retirement" (graveyard"). It also refused to illuminate its screen. I had been using the 50F to insert pulse and oxygen graphs into SH, time synchronized with the standard SH graphs. And it worked nicely using the instruction set in my signature block.

So now I'm about to order a new unit but need some feedback from y'all using the latest version of SH,v0.9.8-1 with either the NEWER model CMS-50F or the CMS-50i.

1. Has anybody had success inserting pulse-ox data into the latest SH version using their OLD model 50F? --or the NEW model 50F? --or model 50i?

2. Were any work-arounds needed? If so, what were they?

3. Has anybody successfully inserted pulse-ox data from any other brand that has the same or similar worn-on-the-wrist-overnight design as does the 50F and 50i ?
  1. from the sleepyhead oximeter import information page: SleepyHead is currently compatible with Contec CMS50D+, CMS50E, CMS50F and CMS50I serial oximeters.
    (Note: Direct importing from bluetooth models is probaby not possible yet)
    You may wish to note, other companies, such as Pulox, simply rebadge Contec CMS50's under new names, such as the Pulox PO-200, PO-300, PO-400. These should also work.
    It also can read from ChoiceMMed MD300W1 oximeter .dat files.
  2. oh, lots and lots of work was needed, on many long conference between myself, jedimark and a nice guy in france to make the new F and I models work seamlessly.
  3. see above for other supported models.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by Papit » Sat May 02, 2015 1:10 am

Thanks for the input, palerider. Yep, I saw the line you referenced. (See para. 2 below.)
As you may recall over the past few years before SH was enhanced to support pulse-ox's, there was huge frustration among those members working to find a decent way to insert their pulse and oxygen data. That led me to work up an instruction set that worked for me and that others used. Now that SH has advanced, I wonder whether or when I should take it down. First, does SH's pulse-ox support take care of users of the "OLD" model 50F users? Can you enlighten on that, do you use the 50F, old or new?

Now --with the availability of the 50i-- people here who need to buy a pulse-ox, myself included, might very well want to pay a little more for the 50i because it can store a few nights of data (vs. the 50F 's one 24 hour period). So I'm looking for any 50i users to give us some input on their experience using it with SH. (Engineers are nutty like that. And we like to hear from multiple users using different computers and operating systems. ) I'm glad to hear you were deeply involved with jedimark in the debugging phase of the work on this. Is it (hopefully) just an oversight that the 50i is not included under "Currently supported machines" in the SH Help Browser, but other CMS 50's are? By any chance do you use the 50i. Anyway I hope we hear from other pulse-ox users in this thread. See opening post of thread.

Ref.
"Currenly supported machines:
Oximetry
Contec CMS50D+, CMS50E and CMS50F (not 50FW) Oximeters
ResMed S9 Oximeter Attachment
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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by SGearhart » Sat May 02, 2015 1:51 am

I'm using an "Iw" model. The newer F and I models are using the latest firmware version 3.7. Sleepyhead has this new format in version 0.9.8.1-testing and it works beautifully.

The differences between the F and I models are as follows:
  • The F is limited to 1 session in memory. This means that once you start a recording session for the night you can not stop or the previous data will be over written. The "F" model only records pulse and SpO2 data.

    The "I" model allows for up to 15 sessions. If you stop a recording session during the night and then restart, a new session will be recorded. You can "stitch" the sessions together in Sleepyhead. Also, the "I" model records the perfusion index(PI) along with the "F's" normal pulse and the SpO2 levels.
I hope this may be of some help.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by M'ohms » Sat May 02, 2015 5:44 am

With Palerider's guidance, I bought the 50I from AliExpress and both the purchase and the pulse-ox are exactly what I had hoped for. Incorporating you data from the 50I into Sleepyhead is seamless.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Sat May 02, 2015 12:52 pm

Papit wrote: Is it (hopefully) just an oversight that the 50i is not included under "Currently supported machines" in the SH Help Browser, but other CMS 50's are? By any chance do you use the 50i.
again, I'll quote from the program itself, which is a more up to date reference than the web page you reference:
SleepyHead is currently compatible with Contec CMS50D+, CMS50E, CMS50F and CMS50I serial oximeters.
I have an I and a IW, it was my I that provided the data that allowed jedimark to support the new F and I models in addition to the models that were previously supported.

how many more ways would you like the information confirmed?

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Sat May 02, 2015 12:55 pm

SGearhart wrote:I'm using an "Iw" model. The newer F and I models are using the latest firmware version 3.7. Sleepyhead has this new format in version 0.9.8.1-testing and it works beautifully.

The differences between the F and I models are as follows:
  • The F is limited to 1 session in memory. This means that once you start a recording session for the night you can not stop or the previous data will be over written. The "F" model only records pulse and SpO2 data.

    The "I" model allows for up to 15 sessions. If you stop a recording session during the night and then restart, a new session will be recorded. You can "stitch" the sessions together in Sleepyhead. Also, the "I" model records the perfusion index(PI) along with the "F's" normal pulse and the SpO2 levels.
I hope this may be of some help.
another advantage of the new F and I models is that they use a plain, ordinary USB cable, whereas the D+ and E (and maybe the old f, I don't know) use a serial to usb cable that just LOOKS like a USB cable. that has caused some people (including myself) no end of grief when they grabbed the wrong cable.

nice summary of differences, btw. do you know if the F has date and time, or just time stamps? that's something I've wondered.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by Papit » Sat May 02, 2015 8:56 pm

SGearhart wrote:I'm using an "Iw" model. The newer F and I models are using the latest firmware version 3.7. Sleepyhead has this new format in version 0.9.8.1-testing and it works beautifully.

The differences between the F and I models are as follows:
  • The F is limited to 1 session in memory. This means that once you start a recording session for the night you can not stop or the previous data will be over written. The "F" model only records pulse and SpO2 data.

    The "I" model allows for up to 15 sessions. If you stop a recording session during the night and then restart, a new session will be recorded. You can "stitch" the sessions together in Sleepyhead. Also, the "I" model records the perfusion index(PI) along with the "F's" normal pulse and the SpO2 levels.
I hope this may be of some help.
Good input. Thanks, SGearhart. Ditto to M'ohms and palerider. I just ordered the CMS-50i. It can be had for $95 and change if you're will to wait a week or so for delivery from China. That's how I bought the 50F three years ago and it arrived in about 10 days.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Sat May 02, 2015 9:30 pm

Papit wrote: I just ordered the CMS-50i. It can be had for $95 and change if you're will to wait a week or so for delivery from China.
just in case you've never used the search on the forum before:
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&keywords=%2Ba ... ow#p991553

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by SGearhart » Sun May 03, 2015 11:12 am

palerider wrote: btw. do you know if the F has date and time, or just time stamps? that's something I've wondered.
Yes, The "F" model records date and time. I usually refer the "I" model as a "F" model on steroids.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Sun May 03, 2015 12:26 pm

SGearhart wrote:
palerider wrote: btw. do you know if the F has date and time, or just time stamps? that's something I've wondered.
Yes, The "F" model records date and time. I usually refer the "I" model as a "F" model on steroids.
so, the difference in the v2 F and the I is multiple sessions, and PI readings, right?

iirc, the v1 F only had a timestamp. (at least, I think that's what Jedimark told me, he has the v1 F mode..

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by pbriggs » Sun May 03, 2015 8:28 pm

with the 50i it records the Pleth waveform graph? Will sleepyhead import that also? I have read a few websites and they all say that is shows the PI waveform, but none mention that it records it.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by palerider » Sun May 03, 2015 10:16 pm

pbriggs wrote:with the 50i it records the Pleth waveform graph? Will sleepyhead import that also? I have read a few websites and they all say that is shows the PI waveform, but none mention that it records it.
it records PI, not plethy. the only way to get plethy into SH is to do it live.

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Re: CMS-50F and CMS-50i USE with SleepyHead

Post by bwexler » Sun May 03, 2015 10:38 pm

One more vote for the CMS 50i. It imports just fine into Sleepyhead all three graphs for SpO2, pulse and profusion.
My old 50i was limited to 7 sessions, it was replaced under warranty by Kevin at the Pulse Ox store and have not tried to do even 7 since I got the replacement. One of the buttons stopped responding on the old one.

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