Is 2 hours of sleep a requirment to wear the PAP in a study?

Is there a rule in every split study that the patient must be asleep for 2 hours total before he gets to wear the CPAP mask?

Because if there is a 2 hour rule of being asleep, then my tech did the wrong thing.

Why are you starting a new thread? I asked what was up in your last thread here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105348&start=30

Every provider of medical services is likely to have their own set of rules and procedures. Generally, whoever pays for the study sets the requirements.

It sounds like you still haven't' talked to your doctor yet - the person who could answer all your questions.

yaconsult wrote:Why are you starting a new thread? I asked what was up in your last thread here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105348&start=30

Every provider of medical services is likely to have their own set of rules and procedures.

It sounds like you still haven't' talked to your doctor yet - the person who could answer all your questions.

it's your own damn fault, you poked it and woke it up.

Enchanter wrote:Is there a rule in every split study that the patient must be asleep for 2 hours total before he gets to wear the CPAP mask?

You can read the American Association of Sleep Technologists Split Night Protocols for Adult Patients for yourself. They're available at https://www.google.com/search?q=AAST+ti ... 8&oe=utf-8#

They clearly state:

1.1 INDICATIONS FOR A SPLIT-NIGHT PAP TITRATION
A split-night PAP titration is indicated for patients who are diagnosed with severe OSA, which is defined as an AHI of at least 40 documented during a minimum of two (2) hours of diagnostic PSG. A split-night study may be considered in a patient with an AHI of 20 to 40, based on clinical judgment (3).

Now these are the professional organization's guidelines. It is possible (but unlikely) that a lab might establish some alternate set of guidelines.

Because if there is a 2 hour rule of being asleep, then my tech did the wrong thing.

No, Enchanter. The tech did NOT do the wrong thing. You are just refusing to admit that your memory of the night is inaccurate when it comes to how much time you slept.

Most people underestimate how much they sleep during a sleep test and overestimate how much time they were awake. And people with severe insomnia problems---like you---are known to vastly overestimate the time they are awake during the night and vastly underestimate the time they are asleep. You are NOT an exception to these things.

Well robysue I guess the tech is not ethical. Why not be open to that? Unless.. you can be awake and asleep at the same time, even though that doesn't make sense.

Enchanter wrote:Well robysue I guess the tech is not ethical. Why not be open to that? Unless.. you can be awake and asleep at the same time, even though that doesn't make sense.

Enchanter, I think you and Robysue are destined to become BFF!

BTW, you are the Energizer Bunny of weird -- I think that is why I like you!

SleepDisturbed wrote:

Enchanter wrote:Well robysue I guess the tech is not ethical. Why not be open to that? Unless.. you can be awake and asleep at the same time, even though that doesn't make sense.

Enchanter, I think you and Robysue are destined to become BFF!

No, I don't see this happening. While I have more patience with Enchanter than most of you, I'm really just trying to make sure that there's some rational rebuttal to some of his crazier ideas.

robysue wrote:

SleepDisturbed wrote:

Enchanter wrote:Well robysue I guess the tech is not ethical. Why not be open to that? Unless.. you can be awake and asleep at the same time, even though that doesn't make sense.

Enchanter, I think you and Robysue are destined to become BFF!

No, I don't see this happening. While I have more patience with Enchanter than most of you, I'm really just trying to make sure that there's some rational rebuttal to some of his crazier ideas.

Although some of my ideas may seem crazy, they are justifiable. I may not be able to articulate some of my feelings in the best way that make them make sense since they are so hard to explain, but I know what I feel and I know what I know in one way or another. One time I had a mentor that recommended Atlus therapy. Atlus is chiropractic work for the neck, which is supposed to help the whole body. You see? I thought he was right because I know that the sensation is coming somewhere close to the neck area. You see? Apnea, atlus, thyroid, these things are all in the same area. I can sense things. And that's why I suspected apnea a little while ago, but we WON'T KNOW until proper tests are conducted!

Enchanter wrote:Although some of my ideas may seem crazy, they are justifiable.

only inside your head.

Enchanter wrote:Is there a rule in every split study that the patient must be asleep for 2 hours total before he gets to wear the CPAP mask?

Because if there is a 2 hour rule of being asleep, then my tech did the wrong thing.

Have you seen the report from your study? That will show exactly how long you were asleep as detected by the very sophisticated equipment attached to your body. It seems to me that that would be the best way to settle your concerns.

The Latinist wrote:

Enchanter wrote:Is there a rule in every split study that the patient must be asleep for 2 hours total before he gets to wear the CPAP mask?

Because if there is a 2 hour rule of being asleep, then my tech did the wrong thing.

Have you seen the report from your study? That will show exactly how long you were asleep as detected by the very sophisticated equipment attached to your body. It seems to me that that would be the best way to settle your concerns.

The only way it would make sense is if you can technically be lightly asleep but awake at the same time.

Enchanter wrote:

The Latinist wrote:

Enchanter wrote:Is there a rule in every split study that the patient must be asleep for 2 hours total before he gets to wear the CPAP mask?

Because if there is a 2 hour rule of being asleep, then my tech did the wrong thing.

Have you seen the report from your study? That will show exactly how long you were asleep as detected by the very sophisticated equipment attached to your body. It seems to me that that would be the best way to settle your concerns.

The only way it would make sense is if you can technically be lightly asleep but awake at the same time.

Guys -- Enchanter has made up his mind he did not sleep. No matter what logical arguments are posed to him, he still insists he did not sleep. Even IF his doctor says "Yes, you did sleep and here's the proof of it" he will not believe it.

There is nothing we can do or say that is going to change this.

I suppose the possibility does exist that he went to one of the sleeziest labs in the world and the tech DID put a mask on a person that hadn't slept one bit and maybe even doctored the test results (doubtful, but hey - anything can happen I guess). Even if this IS the case, there's no way to be sure until another study is done at another lab. And Enchanter is going to obsess and post and question and ask and refute and argue until the cows come home - and then drive the cows crazy with arguments!

There's no way to make him happy. Even if we did agree with him, he'd still find a way to say "But...."and continue arguing with us. Just seems to be the kind of person he is - sadly.

I think we're done here and it's time to move on.

I'm still wondering how a person like this can function in normal society. I would think holding a job and daily responsibilities would be next to impossible.

I made it 90 minutes and was put on the CPAP.

Enchanter wrote: technically be lightly asleep but awake at the same time.

you can't. but you you can be awake, then asleep, then awake, then asleep, and only REMEMBER the awake part.