ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

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ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by Physician » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:49 pm

Anyone here have recent experience with both the AS10 and the S9 auto set? Would like to get a second machine, but would like to know the advantages and disadvantages of the AirSense compared to my S9. Nothing is perfect, so there must be some problems with the AirSense. Is the only significant advantage of the AirSense the wireless reporting.

I have many supplies for the S9. Would they be usable for the AS10 ?

Anyone have a URL displaying the similarities and differences of the S9 and AS10 ?

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by archangle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:03 am

There's no clear winner in my opinion.

A10 has a few improvements. The S9 has a good track record over several years.

A10 has an integrated humidifier.

The A10 keeps the data for a longer time period.

There's no obvious, major improvement in the function of the A10.

The "AutoSense for Her" model as an optional "gentler" auto algorithm, but also does "for him" mode. It also detects RERA's which the S9 does not.

A10 models come with a built in cell phone modem. That is an optional, removable, external part on the S9. You can set the A10 machine to "airplane" mode if the big brother aspect bothers you.

A10 models can have their software updated via the cell modem.

Avoid the base "AirSense 10 CPAP" model or the S9 "Escape and Escape Auto" models. Get at least the Elite model because of better data collection. The A10 CPAP model does do a little better data collection than the S9 Escape, but avoid it if possible.

Some people have had perceived problems due to "burn marks" on the water tanks. In my opinion, this is simply harmless discoloration like what happens on many kinds of stainless steel cookware. ResMed is supposedly investigating.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by robysue » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:43 am

archangle wrote: The A10 keeps the data for a longer time period.
Which data is kept longer? And how long is it kept?

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by archangle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:05 am

robysue wrote:
archangle wrote: The A10 keeps the data for a longer time period.
Which data is kept longer? And how long is it kept?
Supposedly, the flow rate data is kept for 30 days on A10, but it's kept for 7 days on S9 machines. I'm not 100% sure, but that's what some A10 owners have reported. It might even be kept longer.

If some long term A10 owner is willing to send me a zipped SD card image, I'll check it out and verify.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by TangledHose » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:48 am

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by palerider » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:50 am

robysue wrote:
archangle wrote: The A10 keeps the data for a longer time period.
Which data is kept longer? And how long is it kept?
I see tangled beat me again with info I was going to quote from the manual

I talked to one person who said he pulled two or three months worth off his wife's as10.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by archangle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:14 am

It's not 100% clear, but I hope that means it keeps the data until the card fills up. It will be interesting to find out what the precise limits are.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by TangledHose » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:21 am

I've been running mine since late October, I'll look and see how much is on my SD card and let you know in a few minutes.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by TangledHose » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:35 am

OK,

It's a 2 gig card as usual, I have files in the DATALOG folder on the SD card that start from when I first used the machine which was 10/30. The files in that directory are named with the date such as 20141030, 20141031, etc.......each file has a little more than 3 mb of data in it and my SD card is now at 609 MB used, so only a little over 25% of the SD card is full. This DATALOG file folder is the only folder on the SD card with any substantial amount of data on it, the rest of the files are little, small, piddly data amounts like the SETTINGS folder, the DATALOG folder is 480 MB, so I am assuming that's where the detailed stuff is stored.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by archangle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:50 am

AMK sent me a card image and it had the full data, including airflow waveforms, when I imported it into SH. She'd been using it for 44 days and it was 122 MB.

Obviously, a big improvement for the A10 over the S9.

TangledHose, sounds like yours is recording the full data. If you'd create a new user and import the SD card into SH, that would confirm it for sure.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by TangledHose » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:58 am

Pugsy had sent me a PM suggesting the same thing, which I just did..............I set up a new profile in SH and imported all the data from the SD card.

Sure enough, I have all the detailed and high resolution flow data back as far as the first date of use which was 10/30/2014 in my case. So it does appear that the detailed data retention is now dependent on the size of the SD card.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by AMK » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:32 am

Can anybody give a guess then as to how long the SD card will go before it fills up? I'd rather put a new card in before data starts being overwritten.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by TangledHose » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:42 am

AMK wrote:Can anybody give a guess then as to how long the SD card will go before it fills up? I'd rather put a new card in before data starts being overwritten.
Well I am just a few days shy of five months with average of 8 hours per night and SD card is just over 25% full (2gig card) so my guess is easily 18 months worth of data should store and that's a somewhat conservative estimate for just a 2 gig SD card.

Looks like each 8 hour night's worth of data is creating a data file on the SD card that is about 3.25 MB size.

And of course all your data is also being saved in SleepyHead as well. And you can save a copy of the SD card contents to a directory on your computer too.

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by robysue » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:27 am

Ok,

So we don't know "how long" long is when it comes to storing the detailed data and the flow rate data, but we do know this: The silly "overwrite" the data algorithm(s) used on the S9's SD cards do NOT apply to the AirSense A10's SD cards. That's good to know.

Next question: The S9 writes all the detailed data directly to the SD card. So if you forget to put the card in, all the S9 does is write the summary data to the SD card. Anybody know if the AirSense A10 behaves in a similar fashion? Or does it keep some of the detailed data on board?

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Re: ResMed AirSense 10 vs. S9 autoset: Update please

Post by AMK » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:39 am

robysue wrote:Ok,

So we don't know "how long" long is when it comes to storing the detailed data and the flow rate data, but we do know this: The silly "overwrite" the data algorithm(s) used on the S9's SD cards do NOT apply to the AirSense A10's SD cards. That's good to know.

Next question: The S9 writes all the detailed data directly to the SD card. So if you forget to put the card in, all the S9 does is write the summary data to the SD card. Anybody know if the AirSense A10 behaves in a similar fashion? Or does it keep some of the detailed data on board?
I left the card out by mistake one night and none of the detailed data had been saved on board. Sleepyhead could only show me summary data.