Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

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Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by donzi » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:14 pm

I've been using a Resmed S9 autoset for close to 5 years and it's starting to fail. I hear that 5 years is about normal so I anticipate needing a new machine soon. All other things being equal (prescription, insurance, etc.), what would be a better choice, a new S9 (and use my existing humidifier) or a new Airsense 10?

Does the 10 have any 'must have' features, like the wireless data? I diligently track my data and not having to do the SD card transfer every week is appealing. Would I be able to wirelessly get my full data on my PC or does it not work that way?

The 10 seems about the same price with humidifier as the S9 without. Is the 10 less robust (cheaper?) than the S9 to reduce cost? My S9 is built like a tank as far as I'm concerned and has performed flawlessly for almost 5 years. Any downside with the 10?

I'm tempted to stick with an S9, mostly because I have a 12v power supply that I use with a battery for camping that I assume would not work with the 10. Any insight on if the S9 and Airsense 10 power connectors are the same or if would need to by a new ~$100 12V adapter. It's nice to able to leave the humidifier off when not needed, to have a smaller package for travel/camping

Did I read correctly that the hoses are different? Would that make my backup supply of S9 climateline hoses obsolete or could they still be used?

I found a couple of comparison/review threads on the subject but they didn't address my specific concerns.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by palerider » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:39 pm

donzi wrote: Does the 10 have any 'must have' features, like the wireless data? I diligently track my data and not having to do the SD card transfer every week is appealing. Would I be able to wirelessly get my full data on my PC or does it not work that way?
the as10 is a minor update, given that the s9 is near perfect, and no, only summary compliance data is available over the cell modem.
donzi wrote: The 10 seems about the same price with humidifier as the S9 without. Is the 10 less robust (cheaper?) than the S9 to reduce cost? My S9 is built like a tank as far as I'm concerned and has performed flawlessly for almost 5 years. Any downside with the 10?
not really.
donzi wrote: Any insight on if the S9 and Airsense 10 power connectors are the same or if would need to by a new ~$100 12V adapter.
connectors are different, you'll need a different adapter that hasn't been released yet.
donzi wrote: Did I read correctly that the hoses are different?
heated hoses are different, your s9 climateline won't fit.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by PAPRRT » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:03 pm

palerider wrote:
donzi wrote: Does the 10 have any 'must have' features, like the wireless data? I diligently track my data and not having to do the SD card transfer every week is appealing. Would I be able to wirelessly get my full data on my PC or does it not work that way?
the as10 is a minor update, given that the s9 is near perfect, and no, only summary compliance data is available over the cell modem.
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FYI the Airsense 10 has a built in modem that transmits detailed data including leak and AHI. It also has an integrated humidifier (vs two separate components like the S9 has). Performance wise there isnt much different than the S9 but it is the new generation and therefore is in high demand.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by palerider » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:21 pm

PAPRRT wrote: FYI the Airsense 10 has a built in modem that transmits detailed data including leak and AHI. It also has an integrated humidifier (vs two separate components like the S9 has). Performance wise there isnt much different than the S9 but it is the new generation and therefore is in high demand.

FYI, I'd read the clinicians manual before the machines were available for purchase.

many people don't like the built in cell modem, which doesn't offer any more functionality than the clip on cell modem offered the s9, and people, such as myself, who don't normally USE the humidifier, don't think that having the base unit that much bigger to accommodate something not used isn't much of an 'improvement'. not to mention if your s9 humidifier died (rare, I admit) you didn't have to get a whole new machine to fix it.

one would think if you're going to point out actual improvements, you'd highlight the reported upgradable firmware, csr detection, added 'for her' functions first

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by TangledHose » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:46 pm

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Does not transmit detailed data over modem.....just summary data

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by TangledHose » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:15 pm

Based on the OP's first post I would suggest staying with the S9. They are less expensive, smaller for camping without the humidifier, they draw less amperage than the new A10 so battery would last longer, there is currently not a DC power cord from ResMed for the A10 yet, and there are no real outstanding new features making the change worthwhile. I have both the S9 and the AirSense - - they are basically the same in operation, just different footprint and design, but nothing earth shattering about the new machine. I don't use a DME so the wireless feature is more of an annoyance than anything. Maybe the one possible neato thing with the A10 is that from all the literature they indicate it is software upgradable, but to date there have not been any software upgrades to test that out with. So, all-in-all for what you are indicating you are looking for I would stay with the S9 so you can use it camping and also use your stockpile of Climateline hoses

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by PAPRRT » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:29 pm

palerider wrote:
PAPRRT wrote: FYI the Airsense 10 has a built in modem that transmits detailed data including leak and AHI. It also has an integrated humidifier (vs two separate components like the S9 has). Performance wise there isnt much different than the S9 but it is the new generation and therefore is in high demand.

FYI, I'd read the clinicians manual before the machines were available for purchase.

many people don't like the built in cell modem, which doesn't offer any more functionality than the clip on cell modem offered the s9, and people, such as myself, who don't normally USE the humidifier, don't think that having the base unit that much bigger to accommodate something not used isn't much of an 'improvement'. not to mention if your s9 humidifier died (rare, I admit) you didn't have to get a whole new machine to fix it.

one would think if you're going to point out actual improvements, you'd highlight the reported upgradable firmware, csr detection, added 'for her' functions first
I for one believe their new built in modem is an improvement over the older clip on Restrax style. We had quite a few issues with those. Heated humidification is a standard of care now so unless you are a long time user looking for a replacement chances are you want a heated humidifier. Good point about the humidifier failure issue though although we don't seem to have much of a problem with F&P units that have the humidifiers built in.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by PAPRRT » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:35 pm

TangledHose wrote:Image

Does not transmit detailed data over modem.....just summary data
Poor choice of words on my behalf. While the modem does not transmit the minute by minute data you get with a smartcard download to Rescan you do get a "night profile" report that includes nightly leak and AHI over a certain time period.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by archangle » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:46 pm

In my opinion, get the A10, but it's a close call. The S9 has a darn good track record and the A10 isn't greatly improved.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by Guest » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:49 am

Thanks for all the feedback. Typically I would be the first in line to get the latest of anything but I don't see any compelling reason to go with an Airsense 10. The need for a new 12V adapter (Why would they make the connectors different??? ) and loss of the smaller footprint when I don't use the humidifier for camping, travel and all summer versus the possibility for a future software update doesn't seem like a very good trade. And, I can keep my stash of hoses and have my old machine available for spare parts or emergency use.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by Zidane » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:00 pm

My two cents:

I had the S9, and now that I have the Airsense 10, my compliance is night and day. The humidification has additional settings versus the S9, and I have found them to make all the difference. When set to auto humidification, I have ZERO rainout, whereas I had it almost every night on the S9.

Further, the autoramp feature is awesome. It doesn't start increasing until the algorithm detects sleep onset. For me, in addition to the better humidification, they're a life changer.

Cosmetically, the Airsense 10 is smaller, and the travel bag is better than the S9. This point is moot though; the first two are what pushed me over the edge. (Sold the S9 and paid for the A10 out of my pocket, that's how bad I wanted try it.) I'm not up to a full-night of CPAP usage, but I'm slowly getting there - something I never achieved on the S9.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by terrydk » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:22 am

Guest wrote: The need for a new 12V adapter (Why would they make the connectors different??? ) and loss of the smaller footprint when I don't use the humidifier for camping, travel and all summer versus the possibility for a future software update doesn't seem like a very good trade. And, I can keep my stash of hoses and have my old machine available for spare parts or emergency use.

The best option for camping with the Airsense 10 is a small inverter. I contacted ResMed trying to find out when the 12v adapter was going to be available and they couldn't tell me but did reply with...

"Thank you for Contacting Resmed technical Support. The Part number to the A10 Converter is Pt# 37297. As for Inverters, the minimum requirement for the unit is a 150w Modified Sine Wave inverter."

I picked up a small one (175w peak) from Costco for $25, I just used it for a week and it worked great.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by terrydk » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:30 am

donzi wrote:It's nice to able to leave the humidifier off when not needed, to have a smaller package for travel/camping
ResMed does offer a plug for the Airsense 10 that allows the humidifier to be removed. They are not free however unless you can find a vendor that would include one in the package.

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by CMM » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:51 pm

palerider wrote: one would think if you're going to point out actual improvements, you'd highlight the reported upgradable firmware, csr detection, added 'for her' functions first
This might be a stupid question. What is csr detection?

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Re: Resmed S9 vs. Airsense 10

Post by palerider » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:56 pm

CMM wrote:
palerider wrote: one would think if you're going to point out actual improvements, you'd highlight the reported upgradable firmware, csr detection, added 'for her' functions first
This might be a stupid question. What is csr detection?
detection of CSR.

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