"Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

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"Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by MyJanine » Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:17 pm

I will post the image file of this later, but.... On many night my wife (Myjanine) has these multiple strings of Vibratory Snore Events, and when we see this in Sleepyhead we just assume that this MUST mean she is honestly asleep. But then I see them often within a minute or two of the morning shut-off & wake-up.
Question: Could Sleepyhead be mis-interpreting something else as a snore event? Like maybe she is wide awake and fumbling with the mask?

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by cnaumann » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Most of my snores are mask leaks, most happen when I am awake and fiddling with the mask. When the mask goes phhhhhhht or makes motorboat sounds, my machine thinks I am snoring. It is your machine that is interpreting these as snores, sleepyhead just reports what your machine records.
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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Pugsy » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:48 pm

Maybe hose movement across the bed...might be mistaken for snores.
If the snores are really close to time awake I wouldn't worry about them. I usually discount everything that is showing up right before the machine either comes on or gets turned off.
Or if you have a little dog like I do who snores something fierce and he sleeps with you...
I have a Pug dog and I was getting some really ugly looking snores in clusters. Was a bit of a mystery till I realized that when he sleeps with his little chin on my shoulder up by my neck and he snores...the machine picks up his snores. I never had them show up when he slept somewhere else on my bed.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by palerider » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:14 pm

MyJanine wrote: Question: Could Sleepyhead be mis-interpreting something else as a snore event? Like maybe she is wide awake and fumbling with the mask?
sleepyhead doesn't interpret things as snores, actually, it just displays flags that the machine sets in the data... it's the machine thinking that noises are a snore.

what, exactly, a machine figures is a snore, I'm not sure...

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Guest1 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:36 pm

I thought the machines did not have a microphone and they picked up snores by looking at zagged waveform during breathing. I believe a leak can't have that effect on the waveform. Vibrations to the apparatus may cause it in certain cases.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by palerider » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:29 am

Guest1 wrote:I thought the machines did not have a microphone and they picked up snores by looking at zagged waveform during breathing. I believe a leak can't have that effect on the waveform. Vibrations to the apparatus may cause it in certain cases.
they have a pressure sensor, and a flow sensor attached to the air circuit. certain variations in the flow and pressure are what the machine thinks are snores. people report that sometimes the machine makes mistakes.

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Post by Tatooed Lady » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:42 am

Pugsy wrote:Maybe hose movement across the bed...might be mistaken for snores.
If the snores are really close to time awake I wouldn't worry about them. I usually discount everything that is showing up right before the machine either comes on or gets turned off.
Or if you have a little dog like I do who snores something fierce and he sleeps with you...
I have a Pug dog and I was getting some really ugly looking snores in clusters. Was a bit of a mystery till I realized that when he sleeps with his little chin on my shoulder up by my neck and he snores...the machine picks up his snores. I never had them show up when he slept somewhere else on my bed.

Yep...blame the dog.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by MyJanine » Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:23 am

Part of my question is based on my practice of thinking "She snores... She sleeps"
If we're looking at the events from the previous night, and trying to determine actual hours of sleep, the snore has seemed like the only way to guess sleeping hours. Not I'm not so sure if there's actually any way to know hours of sleep just by looking at graphs & data.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by palerider » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:28 pm

MyJanine wrote:Part of my question is based on my practice of thinking "She snores... She sleeps"
If we're looking at the events from the previous night, and trying to determine actual hours of sleep, the snore has seemed like the only way to guess sleeping hours. Not I'm not so sure if there's actually any way to know hours of sleep just by looking at graphs & data.
I just picked up a zeo on ebay... strap one of those on her and import it's data to sleepyhead

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Rastaman » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:52 pm

There is Vibratory Snore and there is Vibratory Snore (VS2). I often see a 0 next to the first one but much higher numbers on the 2nd option. What is the difference?

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Rastaman » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:25 am

NVM I think I figured it out myself.

The Vibratory Snore Index is the total number of vibratory snoring events per night divided by the hours of use.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by palerider » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:42 am

Rastaman wrote:There is Vibratory Snore and there is Vibratory Snore (VS2). I often see a 0 next to the first one but much higher numbers on the 2nd option. What is the difference?
I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this... but, as i understand it, only persperonics knows... they are just two flags that the machine puts in the data stream, but what triggers those flags, exactly, is pretty much anybodies guess.

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:13 am

palerider wrote:I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this.
Robysue took a stab at it a while back. What she said made sense. Me...if I see too much of either type of snore I want to reduce it but I don't panic with occasional here or there snores.
I don't have that particular response and explanation saved to find it easily.
She may have included her comments on it over in her Sleepyhead tutorial at the apneaboard though.
I don't have the time right now to go looking for it.
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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by palerider » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:24 am

Pugsy wrote:
palerider wrote:I was hoping someone else would take a stab at this.
Robysue took a stab at it a while back.
where the hell is she anyway.... some asshole here started accusing her of being racist for using the perfectly accurate and innocent term "niggardly" and I don't remember seeing her after that

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Re: "Vibratory Snore Event" Question?

Post by Pugsy » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:05 pm

palerider wrote:where the hell is she anyway.... some asshole here started accusing her of being racist for using the perfectly accurate and innocent term "niggardly" and I don't remember seeing her after that
According to RobySue's profile she hasn't been here since Sept 19 and I do think that was about the time of the verbal dispute about her terminology. Perhaps she was pushed over the edge.
I thought she was hanging out over on the other board. I don't go there because I simply don't have time.
If she hasn't posted anything over there in a while perhaps she is taking a break again from the forums and dealing with her own issues has had to take priority. I know she has done that in the past.

Oh...I found Robysue's snore explanation
here in my tutorial thread...third post from the bottom of the page
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88983&p=868441&hili ... es#p868441

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