ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

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ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:48 pm

ResMed's new "non medical" sleep monitoring device, S+, and mobile app: Quite reminiscent of Zeo, isn't it? There are rumors that ResMed did purchase Zeo's assets, though this appears to use different sensor technology. It does incorporate a "cloud-hosted...personalized feedback system", however.
The product appears to be in pre-release as the "to order" function of the website is not operational.

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:00 am

Confirmed: ResMed purchased Zeo's assets.
https://forum.quantifiedself.com/showth ... 06#pid5906

If you have a Bedside Zeo, here's a slick way to access your data: http://www.alienrat.net/software/zeomonitor.html

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by andy88488 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:06 pm

I just read about this in the Wall Street Journal. They tested a number of sleep monitors, and this was the most highly-recommended.

The machine uses hands-off sensors. It sits on your bedside and scans you. I wonder if it would be thrown off by CPAP mask, hose, etc. It would be pretty funny if Resmed made a machine which COULDN'T handle CPAP stuff, but you never know.

Does anyone know if it is CPAP-tolerant, or CPAP-friendly? It would be REALLY great if the S+ data integrated with your CPAP data, but that would be mixing "Personal" data and "Professional" data, and I don't know if they'd do that. Plus, I have a Respironics machine anyway! Maybe this is something Sleepyhead could incorporate. I bet that would be awesome!!

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:35 pm

At https://forum.quantifiedself.com/showth ... 06#pid5906, Gary Wolf writes,
Colin also showed me the sleep sensor they have been working on. Yes, it is a motion sensor. However, the trick they are using is not to directly infer sleep from movement, but to infer respiratory patterns (this is their area of expertise), and then infer sleep from respiration. They are also doing some distance sensing, to reduce noise. The requirement is that the sensor sit on a nightstand, pointing toward the sleeper's chest. We'll post some data samples here when we can.
One would think, that if the above is true, ResMed would be able to gather and perhaps integrate information from their machines into this system. It doesn't seem likely they would develop a system that couldn't handle other types of their own equipment operating at the same time. But then, as you said Andy, you never know.

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by andy88488 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:10 pm

One would think, that if the above is true, ResMed would be able to gather and perhaps integrate information from their machines into this system. It doesn't seem likely they would develop a system that couldn't handle other types of their own equipment operating at the same time. But then, as you said Andy, you never know.
What concerns me is that the website (http://mysplus.com/Home/index.html) mentions NOTHING about Apnea or CPAP. Maybe that's legally necessary, since CPAPs are Medical Devices, available by prescription. It would be unfortunate, for our purposes, if this device pretended that Apnea and CPAPs didn't exist. But you never know.
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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by lytepole » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:30 pm

Has anyone been able to figure out where to buy one? I'd LOVE to see if I'm actually getting any sleep now. I think having a pretty chart that says I am might make me feel better

Any other alternatives to help me document that I am getting better sleep quality if this device isn't available yet?

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:45 pm

So, if this technology is useful, what's with all that glue in the hair at the lab?

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by lytepole » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:09 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:So, if this technology is useful, what's with all that glue in the hair at the lab?
I think they just do it to make our evenings with them even worse, and spill over to the next few days while we ungoo!

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by andy88488 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:11 pm

lytepole wrote:Has anyone been able to figure out where to buy one? I'd LOVE to see if I'm actually getting any sleep now. I think having a pretty chart that says I am might make me feel better

Any other alternatives to help me document that I am getting better sleep quality if this device isn't available yet?
They've changed the Splus.com website to say "Availability: Coming Soon". I'd be a little patient. The article in the WSJ yesterday evaluated five different devices and said that this was by far the best. I don't know if you will be able to access this as a non-subscriber, but here it is: http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-best ... ORDS=sleep
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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by andy88488 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:12 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:So, if this technology is useful, what's with all that glue in the hair at the lab?
I think it's to provide us with a super-memorable experience to start us on our new lives as hoseheads!
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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by Jay Aitchsee » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:24 am

Colin Lawlor of ResMed speaking on the acquisition of Zeo Assets: https://forum.quantifiedself.com/showth ... 88#pid5988
Colin Lawlor wrote: Hi Gary,

I’m sorry it took a little time to reply.

ResMed did acquire some of the Zeo assets including intellectual property. The anonymised sleep data were used to make comparisons with our extensive research on the sleep norms and various meta-analyses of sleep data during development of S+ by ResMed.

We have not reconstituted the Zeo platform. However, we are planning to offer a unique program to former Zeo customers (available in the US initially) so that they can build new data quickly and easily with S+. In the meantime, we love the vision that you and the QS movement have shown and want to do all we can to support healthy sleep.

Best wishes,
Colin.

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by john5396 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:21 am

Looks like they are now accepting orders.

The FAQ mentions that it should not be used by someone on O2, but does not mention CPAP (positive or negative).

My smartphone isnt on the supported list, IPhone or Samsung Galaxy are supported, so I wont be buying soon.

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by wilsonintexas » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:08 pm

From what I read on the web site, it tries to measure breathing and infer sleep from that....... There have been discussions and articles on this, so I know it is possible. BUT IT DOES NOT USE ANY OF THE ZEO TECHNOLOGY. ZEO picked up brain waves and looked ad the requency of the brain waves to determine sleep state...... much much differnt.

If they are doinng sleep stage based on resperation, they should very easily include that in their CPCP machines where they measure resperitaion and airflow directly........ maybe that will be coming. It sure would be nice if they could do it by a firmware update to the existing machines.....

Not saying it is not a good choice, but if it all based on breathing rates it would be noce to build it into the cpap machines.



I also know it records things like noise and temp, so it will try to be able to tell you what is disturbing your sleep....... the train comes by at 12:45 and you are disturbed.... all good, and some things that teh ZEO does not do.....



From the other forum, I also extracted the following:

Yes, Lori and gwern are correct, Resmed bought the Zeo assets and is now launching their own sleep tracker, the S+. The official site appears to be at this URL now: http://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/s-plus.html.

I wrote to Ben Rubin a while back to see what I could find out about Zeo assets. He didn't know but connected me to Dave Dickinson, the ex-CEO, who put me in touch with Colin Lawlor at ResMed. Colin confirmed this news, on the condition I wait a few weeks before making it public.

Colin also showed me the sleep sensor they have been working on. Yes, it is a motion sensor. However, the trick they are using is not to directly infer sleep from movement, but to infer respiratory patterns (this is their area of expertise), and then infer sleep from respiration. They are also doing some distance sensing, to reduce noise. The requirement is that the sensor sit on a nightstand, pointing toward the sleeper's chest. We'll post some data samples here when we can.




There is also this from Collin:

Hi Gary,

I’m sorry it took a little time to reply.

ResMed did acquire some of the Zeo assets including intellectual property. The anonymised sleep data were used to make comparisons with our extensive research on the sleep norms and various meta-analyses of sleep data during development of S+ by ResMed.

We have not reconstituted the Zeo platform. However, we are planning to offer a unique program to former Zeo customers (available in the US initially) so that they can build new data quickly and easily with S+. In the meantime, we love the vision that you and the QS movement have shown and want to do all we can to support healthy sleep.

Best wishes,
Colin.


I am trying to get hold of this Colin and see if there are plans to incorporate any of the sleet state inference directly into the resmed products....... from what I remember reading these are differnt divisions, but I heard last week that there was some ice for sale down below and pigs were flying over Ohio......

If anyone here has some pull or access to resmed, please see if they can do this.

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by NateS » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:07 pm

andy88488 wrote:I just read about this in the Wall Street Journal. They tested a number of sleep monitors, and this was the most highly-recommended.

The machine uses hands-off sensors. It sits on your bedside and scans you. I wonder if it would be thrown off by CPAP mask, hose, etc. It would be pretty funny if Resmed made a machine which COULDN'T handle CPAP stuff, but you never know.

Does anyone know if it is CPAP-tolerant, or CPAP-friendly? It would be REALLY great if the S+ data integrated with your CPAP data, but that would be mixing "Personal" data and "Professional" data, and I don't know if they'd do that. Plus, I have a Respironics machine anyway! Maybe this is something Sleepyhead could incorporate. I bet that would be awesome!!

Thanks,

Andy
Here is what the most recent customer review on Amazon says about it:
An impressive "no contact" sleep monitor solution
By Bill Bradford on October 28, 2014
I use other ResMed equipment nightly (a CPAP machine) and so far I'm impressed with this unit. I've used other sleep monitoring solutions (WakeMate, Fitbit, Garmin Vivofit) and they all required some sort of band or wearing something which can be uncomfortable. This unit sits on my bedside table, is powered via a MicroUSB cable (so I can plug it into my multi-USB-device charger), and connects to my Android tablet via Bluetooth. The first couple nights were a little finicky about getting the unit set to the right distance from the bed, but after that everything has worked great. My only complaint so far is that the software has to keep running on a phone/tablet all night, rather than just syncing with the device at the start and end of a sleep session.
http://www.amazon.com/ResMed-S-by/dp/B0 ... merReviews

It's offered on Amazon via third party sellers for $150.

And here is the free software for it for Android phones:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... ed.refresh

Regards, Nate

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Re: ResMed's New Zeo like Sleep Monitor/Analyzer

Post by nickberti » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:41 am

I just started using it last night with my CPAP on, I will let you know how it goes..