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Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by Setj » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:50 am

Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists
A new study shows that internet trolls really are just terrible human beings.
Published on September 18, 2014 by Jennifer Golbeck, Ph.D. in Your Online Secrets

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you ... MostViewed

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by BlackSpinner » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:59 am

Unfortunately for many people, anyone who disagrees with them or presents facts they don't like is considered a troll.

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by Setj » Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:03 am

^ Good point BlackSpinner. We can learn from those who have different opinions than ours.
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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by jnk... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:55 am

Not that "scientific"; not really "evidence." IMO.

I agree that some people who feel they haven't yet got their due recognition in life like to draw attention to themselves on the Internet by being disruptive. But if you can't trust a word they post, how could anyone trust a personality test of them?

The antidote to nonhelpful posts is to make helpful posts. That works much better than making no posts, I believe--especially in a medical-condition-related forum.

For example, if someone posts something you consider stupid, don't attack him or his post (that would bring added attention to it)--just post something you consider intelligent on the same subject. Right next to the trolling post. Someone may happen by and learn something from your helpful words, even in that context.

The Internet is not the only lair of trolls, after all If you go to a town meeting and someone stands up and says something inflammatory and ignorant, sitting on one's hands in silence and hoping the person will go away is not the only option for other members of the audience. Raise your hand and say something useful to the community and observers. It will stand on its own merit without your having to reference earlier less-than-helpful statements made at the same meeting or just prior to your comment. If the trolling citizen becomes disruptive, go ahead and call the authorities. But take the opportunity to be as helpful as circumstances allow until the authorities arrive. And if the situation hasn't come to that yet, just continue being helpful. It is much the same with Internet threads. Just move honest dialog along, if you can.

Remember, the goal of a troll is to get people upset. Silence can feel to the troll like he accomplished that. On the other hand, if helpful dialog continues, the troll sees he has no ability to upset anyone, so he moves on. It isn't feeding the troll to continue discussion of a topic. Getting upset is what creates food for the troll.
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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by SleepyEyes21 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:42 pm

jnk... wrote:Not that "scientific"; not really "evidence." IMO.

I agree that some people who feel they haven't yet got their due recognition in life like to draw attention to themselves on the Internet by being disruptive. But if you can't trust a word they post, how could anyone trust a personality test of them?

The antidote to nonhelpful posts is to make helpful posts. That works much better than making no posts, I believe--especially in a medical-condition-related forum.

For example, if someone posts something you consider stupid, don't attack him or his post (that would bring added attention to it)--just post something you consider intelligent on the same subject. Right next to the trolling post. Someone may happen by and learn something from your helpful words, even in that context.

The Internet is not the only lair of trolls, after all If you go to a town meeting and someone stands up and says something inflammatory and ignorant, sitting on one's hands in silence and hoping the person will go away is not the only option for other members of the audience. Raise your hand and say something useful to the community and observers. It will stand on its own merit without your having to reference earlier less-than-helpful statements made at the same meeting or just prior to your comment. If the trolling citizen becomes disruptive, go ahead and call the authorities. But take the opportunity to be as helpful as circumstances allow until the authorities arrive. But if the situation hasn't come to that yet, continue being helpful. It is much the same with threads. Just move honest dialog along, if you can.

Remember, the goal of a troll is to get people upset. Silence can feel to the troll like he accomplished that. On the other hand, if helpful dialog continues, the troll sees he has no ability to upset anyone, so he moves on. It isn't feeding the troll to continue discussion of a topic. Getting upset is what creates food for the troll.
Agreed on all, for the most part - good post, jnk. If one agrees from the article referenced that "...the goal of a troll is to get people upset," then your solutions most likely are best (IMO.) However, how valid is this study of 1,200 people when there are billions of people in the world? Also - this study was done in Canada, so cultural characteristics also come into play. How might the social rules in one country differ from another? And how do these differences impact results on the study of 'trolls'? ( so much to think about and so little time!

I say perspective is everything... instead of narcissistic and sadistic, could troll behavior also be disguised intelligence provoking people to think outside of their comfort zones? Hmmmm.....

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:53 pm

On the whole, aren't Canadians a little less "nutso" than us in the States?
I want to visit Canada again, as I found the people delightful the last time.

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by jnk... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:00 pm

The few mean ones are quarantined somewhere over in Quebec, I think.

My point is that if the poster isn't attempting to upset people, the poster doesn't meet my personal definition of a troll.

And regardless of another poster's motive, if someone else's post prevents me from making helpful posts on the subject at hand, that is on me, not the "troll."
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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by jnk... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:09 pm

According to the Post, mean people aren't even allowed into Canada:
"The mean were reportedly detained while attempting to cross the border into Canada." -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post ... e-missing/
Or maybe the Post just can't spell "men." (And who can afford copy editors these days?) Oh well. Either way.
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Post by BlackSpinner » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:41 pm

jnk... wrote:The few mean ones are quarantined somewhere over in Quebec, I think.
There in the language office and here in Alberta everywhere - it is a Texas wannabee province cause we have oil.

Other studies I have read done on lots more people show that most people are pretty much the same in real life as they are on the internet. Part of the problem is that there is no voice tone and body language available on line - all we have are emoticons.

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by jnk... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:55 pm

My personal prejudice with Canadians is that I tend to view them all as a people to be artistic geniuses, since most of my favorite songwriters and musical performers come from up there.

Yeah, I know Canada must have as many tone-deaf, rhythmically challenged people as the U.S., but we humans often tend to judge a place by the people we've personally met there or that are famous from the locality, I think.

Then again, what do I know--I actually find New Yorkers to be mostly personable and engaging, myself. They often even smile as they curse and gesture and call me names.
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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by poppi2 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:12 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:...There in the language office and here in Alberta everywhere - it is a Texas wannabee province cause we have oil.....
You are welcome to my Gov Goodhair.

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by jnk... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:19 pm

poppi2 wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:...There in the language office and here in Alberta everywhere - it is a Texas wannabee province cause we have oil.....
You are welcome to my Gov Goodhair.
Didn't he used to be the lead singer for Journey?
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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by Cereal Killer » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:27 pm

Setj wrote:


You can't reform them. So just quit feeding them!
So true. I have been surprised at how much feeding goes on here.

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Post by Wulfman... » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:43 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:On the whole, aren't Canadians a little less "nutso" than us in the States?
I want to visit Canada again, as I found the people delightful the last time.
Maybe.......or at least until they decide to live here. Justin "what's-his-name" comes to mind.
But, I've been to Canada (Ontario and Alberta) a few times and have some friends and former work colleagues who live there. I've always found it interesting that many Canadians purchase property in the U.S., too.

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Re: Trolls: Now There is Scientific Evidence

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:49 pm

Interesting; I know some Americans purchase small properties in Texas because "residents" pay no state income tax.

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