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CPAP Machine Database

Post by Krelvin » Sun May 03, 2015 10:04 am

CPAP Machine Database
A new section to the TNET Sleep Resources pages is a CPAP Machine Database section. It can be queried several different ways to find info about CPAP machines and to help identify which machine you might have.

Searching via:
  • Description
  • Manufacturers
  • Model/Ref#
  • Machine Class (via sample images)
One of the purposes of this database is to find out what the machine you are using is called so that you can accurately set your equipment info here in CPAPTalk which is a common issue new users run into. The database has references to the actual CPAPTalk equipment descriptions used so you know exactly what to look for.

Direct Link: https://sleep.tnet.com/cmd

Current database has more than 400 Model/Ref numbers in it and will be continually updated with newer info and more details over time.

This is a project that I've been working on for several months along with a couple other CPAPTalk users. Comments and suggestions are welcome via here or using the contact form on the website found on the main page.

If you are not familiar with the TNET Sleep Information site, there is a lot of information on it that is constantly updated, including software, installation tips, tips on posting images and more.
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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by Pugsy » Sun May 03, 2015 10:09 am

Very nice job. You did a lot of work there and it shows.

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by poppi2 » Sun May 03, 2015 10:16 am

Thank you for the hard work. The website is very nice, easy to navigate. I'm sure it is easier on a pc rather than my phone. Earl

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun May 03, 2015 10:25 am

Thank you for your work.
It is comprehensive and intuitive.

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by mralaska » Sun May 03, 2015 11:08 am

Good job! As a person who started out from scratch and was combing through craigslist ads immediately almost mis-identifying and buying a brick; I would have found this a valuable resource. It seems it would be exhaustive to maintain and even more so to build! That said, I hope for the sake of poverty stricken uninsured self-starters you can optimize it for them also.

To make it easier to search for a new machine, I would have appreciated the ability to do a search refined by feature such as "data" and "auto". There are only a handful of such machines and there are pages that list them but some have conflicting data and it can become confusing for someone trying to learn while searching especially with all the other stuff on their plate. Having that ability with a comprehensive database would have eliminated dozens (or more like hundreds) of google searches and pages to leave open.

On a lesser note for future reference: Even after you get the time to add all the photos it can still be confusing sometimes whether identifying for the forum or for a shopper because some machines the same models but can be marked different than each other for some reason. It would be great if you could upload alternate looks a machine might have.

As an example of the latter: The 50 series machine I am using I went to the meeting confused because it had "System One" written on both the humidifier and main body contrary to the pictures and descriptions I had found to review plus I had read one identification page that stated that all the 50 series had "System One" on the humidifier only. The seller had no idea of the model number because she had taken a sharpie to the labels out of fear of being reported for selling medical equipment online without a license. I figured it out when I got there and her pathological dishonesty was exceeded only by her absolute stupidity but that is another story.

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by Krelvin » Sun May 03, 2015 11:34 am

Images are going to take time for a number of reasons. While there are some good stock images for newer units, older ones are a bit sparse. Also, some images really can't be used because they contain other material. While it only takes 2-5 mins to cut out an image and re-size, that is still a lot of work.
Also some of the images available are not representative of a variation of units actually in the field.

Coming soon I will be adding the ability for someone to submit images and descriptions along with user comments about specific units.
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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by OkyDoky » Sun May 03, 2015 12:00 pm

As a person of few words and even slower typing skills, I really appreciate your site. I feel like I can help someone without reinventing the wheel, and you have done all the work. Again, a big Thanks
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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by palerider » Sun May 03, 2015 12:29 pm

mralaska wrote:because she had taken a sharpie to the labels out of fear of being reported for selling medical equipment online without a license. I figured it out when I got there and her pathological dishonesty was exceeded only by her absolute stupidity but that is another story.
just a fyi... alcohol will dissolve sharpie permanent marker ink... wipes right off.

in case you think another person might do that, take an alcohol prep pad with you

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by mralaska » Sun May 03, 2015 6:49 pm

Krelvin wrote:...
Coming soon I will be adding the ability for someone to submit images and descriptions along with user comments about specific units.
Allowing community input in the form of images and comments on each model would be a wonderful tool! It might also help a lot with ongoing maintenance to make clear cut guidelines and appoint moderators with administrative abilities to help keep things clean. It would obviously take some time and effort to build such integration into what you have while keeping it as clean and user friendly as it currently is.

Perhaps you could set up a PHPBB or some type of packaged forum then insert a link into each machine description leading to a specified topic for the associated model? That way you would only need to add one or two fields to your current database and your moderator team access levels are already set up and ready to help you keep things clean? I am just thinking out loud. You obviously know what you are doing and have a handle on it.

I love what you have so far and would love to see it mature. When I was searching I kept wondering why I could not find a comprehensive central database.
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mralaska wrote:because she had taken a sharpie to the labels out of fear of being reported for selling medical equipment online without a license. I figured it out when I got there and her pathological dishonesty was exceeded only by her absolute stupidity but that is another story.
just a fyi... alcohol will dissolve sharpie permanent marker ink... wipes right off.

in case you think another person might do that, take an alcohol prep pad with you
That is not a bad suggestion to go on the list of used CPAP shopping tips, just below the instructions on how to access the relevant info on the CPAP screen and what info one should need to access. When I got home I wanted to get the ink off asap before it started to sink in. I first tried olive oil which is how I removed my halloween whiskers but it did not work so well on CPAP machines. Then I went to google and found out about the alcohol which solved the problem within seconds.

When I bought the machine I had not looked up the information on how to access the age of the machine and had not thought to do so. I did access the blower hours to find out the "hardly ever used" machine had 4000 hours on it. Shocked and surprised that such information was recorded, she claimed the blower hours were not from use but because they had to run the blower at night for the insurance company. While free spinning blower hours probably cause more wear than hours of actual use, I kind of believed at least that part of her cover story. When I got home I discovered that the "about one year old" machine had started therapy almost five years ago with constant hours in the beginning and sporadic hours after that up to a month or two previous. It seemed obvious her husband who "no longer needed a cpap machine" was due for a five year insurance replacement and only used the machine when he felt compelled.

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by Krelvin » Sun May 03, 2015 7:18 pm

mralaska wrote:Allowing community input in the form of images and comments on each model would be a wonderful tool! It might also help a lot with ongoing maintenance to make clear cut guidelines and appoint moderators with administrative abilities to help keep things clean. It would obviously take some time and effort to build such integration into what you have while keeping it as clean and user friendly as it currently is.
Way more work than planned... Once updated, there are not a lot of changes to machines until new machines come out. There is already enough in the DB and the edit tool that I am working on to maintain it to easily keep track of changes.

A simple review process will be easy enough to add without adding a lot of software. Adding a forum would be overkill.

The ability to add additional moderators already exists and will be enabled once the edit side is completed.
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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by palerider » Sun May 03, 2015 7:53 pm

mralaska wrote: When I bought the machine I had not looked up the information on how to access the age of the machine and had not thought to do so. I did access the blower hours to find out the "hardly ever used" machine had 4000 hours on it. Shocked and surprised that such information was recorded, she claimed the blower hours were not from use but because they had to run the blower at night for the insurance company. While free spinning blower hours probably cause more wear than hours of actual use, I kind of believed at least that part of her cover story. When I got home I discovered that the "about one year old" machine had started therapy almost five years ago with constant hours in the beginning and sporadic hours after that up to a month or two previous. It seemed obvious her husband who "no longer needed a cpap machine" was due for a five year insurance replacement and only used the machine when he felt compelled.
I've long recommended meeting at some place like starbucks, where there's people around for safety, and ready access to electrical outlets to plug in and check out the machine....

after what you posted, taking along a notebook with sleepyhead to read the SD card might be a good idea too!!!

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by mralaska » Mon May 04, 2015 6:13 am

palerider wrote:...

I've long recommended meeting at some place like starbucks, where there's people around for safety, and ready access to electrical outlets to plug in and check out the machine....

after what you posted, taking along a notebook with sleepyhead to read the SD card might be a good idea too!!!
A notebook with Sleepyhead would be a great item and should go on the list, but to make it practical for a newbie searching for their first machine they would need a sample file to get comfortable where to find the needed data in sleepyhead. I didn't find any such file available so I decided I would wait until after receiving my machine to install sleepyhead. In retrospect I should have made myself known and asked for such a sample file before I began shopping. I don't know if you can get into the files and remove any personal information, or whether any exists other than the record data, to share such a file safely? The serial number is probably encrypted in some proprietary manner but is there any danger in sharing a serial number?

We met in a parking lot but in this case she had an AC adapter that plugged into her cigarette lighter because I told her we would need to meet where I could plug it in, which might be another "nice to have" item but I am not sure all machines will run on the modified square wave produced by the cheaper AC converters and generators. This one did and most probably will run, but given all the sensitive components that exist I would not feel comfortable with a cheap one and a pure sine wave converter might be too expensive if not needed for other stuff. A very cheap pure DC power supply could be fashioned from any old 12v battery clipped to a plug from radio shack and a few of the most common adapters to power a remstar. A set of jumper cables will turn it into a 24V supply after quickly wiring it in series with the vehicle battery if needed to power a resmed. My camping friends call me the "gizmo guy" because my site is full of cheap electronics and tools used for purposes often not intended but my methods, while often marveled at, are rarely emulated so it might not be for everyone.

After my experience I would also suggest taking a snapshot of their license plate or even driver license if you can pull it off. I do not think I bought a stolen machine but later I considered turning her in for fraud or maybe trying to regain some of my inflated cost via civil means. I dismissed the idea mostly because I just wanted to put it behind me but also because I would have no way of attempting to identify her except a craigslist ad and IP address on her email both of which can be problematic to track even for law enforcement if they lead to an empty parking lot next to an open WiFi router.

Going inside a starbucks or similar place was not a real option because of time and location plus I would have felt rushed for concern for her husband sitting in the car. Her husband never left the car when we met and he was in obvious physical distress suffering from many visible maladies and apparent seizures the entire time. It was considering how obviously miserable he was and pity for the situation he put/found himself that he must depend on such a horrid person that I finally was able to resist turning my back and driving away in disgust.

Plus the fact, and this is something many people who know me would be shocked or laugh hysterically to hear me say, I would not have felt comfortable being seen with her in public. She was much younger than him (or myself) but displayed the mannerisms of a desperate streetwalker who had traded her heart for a pop tart and lost her brains in the bargain. The only solace I can derive from giving that flea bag low life scum sucker the satisfaction of meeting me in a moment of weakness and in too much need to protect myself properly was that I was able to start my treatment possibly a week earlier than I would have otherwise. Quality of life is a bargain at any price when you find yourself below your limit of endurance. I did not mean to get carried away. This last paragraph is just to warn craigslist shoppers to brace themselves for anything. I may have been venting and over stating for emphasis. She was actually very sweet. Sticky sweet. I had to clean the syrup and sugar off my arm where she kept patting it.

I hope it is not thread drift talking about such tools for a newbie but it fits this topic and provides info for any of the newbie shoppers who might be attracted to the title of the thread.

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by palerider » Mon May 04, 2015 10:50 am

mralaska wrote: I don't know if you can get into the files and remove any personal information, or whether any exists other than the record data, to share such a file safely? The serial number is probably encrypted in some proprietary manner but is there any danger in sharing a serial number?
I'd say all that'd really be needed would be a screenshot of the overview, or the summary page, "look at these numbers" to see if there's recorded data about how many times it was used. there's no personal information recorded on the SD cards, though the machines serial number is on there, right out in the open, actually all the data is easily erased by doing an 'erase data'. but you'd have to be dealing with someone who knows how to get into the clinical menu. so you still need to power up the unit and check the total hours.

as to the power, the machines have switching power supplies, and those are happy to run off of a modified sine wave, in fact, they actually like it a little better than true sine wave.

the last deal I did, I got to the starbucks a bit later than the seller, and spotted her sitting outside at one of the tables, next to a power outlet that she'd plugged her phone into... so that all worked well. the only mild hitch was finding water in the humidifier.... but, it hadn't gotten into the machine.

as to the skanky effect, that's entirely up to you I'd rather meet a skanky person at starbucks where I'd feel less like they may want to shank me and grab my dough!

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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by Krelvin » Mon May 04, 2015 10:56 am

mralaska wrote:I hope it is not thread drift talking about such tools for a newbie but it fits this topic and provides info for any of the newbie shoppers who might be attracted to the title of the thread.
I would suggest you start a thread with the topic you are talking about. This really has nothing to do with the CPAP Machine Database which is what this thread is about.

What you are talking about is is more about how to deal with people when trying to buy a machine from a third party a completely different topic.
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Re: CPAP Machine Database

Post by archangle » Tue May 05, 2015 1:26 am

palerider wrote:as to the power, the machines have switching power supplies, and those are happy to run off of a modified sine wave, in fact, they actually like it a little better than true sine wave.
Apparently, a lot of newer devices with switching power supplies are being designed to meet Big Brother environmental power factor requirements. Some of these devices won't work right with a MSW waveform. I don't know if any CPAP machines have this problem.

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