Breathing rate on a Machine?

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Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by racprops » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:40 am

Well I am back on track health wise..the only fly in the soup is that my Breathing Rate (at sleep) is a high at 19BPM...question is that a real problem or just me.

I would like to think I am just being my normal efferent self and only working as hard at breathing as I do most everything else with no wasted effort, with the machine presenting me with lightly pressured air I can fill my need faster and thus breath less and get what I need with short shallow breaths.

Has anyone notice this with their breath rates, or has there been any study done??

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by Denial Dave » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:08 am

The last time I checked on WebMD, "The typical respiratory rate for a healthy adult at rest is 12–20 breaths per minute"

IMHO 19 BPM is not significant enough to worry about.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by racprops » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:54 pm

Funny as I looked it up and found this: And as my average seem in the normal range with only a couple of spikes at above average, yes I am running a little high and am close to the high of 20BPM.

"12 to 16 breaths per minute (BPM)
What is an elevated respiratory rate? In adults, the cut-off is usually considered a rate over 20 breaths per minute, with a rate of over 24 breaths per minute indicating a very serious condition."

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by Pugsy » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:14 pm

I just scrolled through a few of my SH reports looking at respiration rate.
Max is almost always 29 or 30...95% is almost always around 19...median is almost always around 16 or 17 and minimum 9 or 10.

Doesn't sound like yours is much different from mine.
FWIW...I don't have lung or cardiac issues that I am aware of.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by IreneN » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:21 pm

My respiratory stats have had me wondering as well. My minimums are in the 6-8 range, median mid to high 20's, 95% mid 30's, and max high 40's. The time before I fall asleep or when I know I'm awake, like after I wake up but before I turn off the machine, it's usually mid teens. This has been constant since I started APAP about 4 1/2 months ago. Definitely on my list of questions for my sleep doc follow-up visit next week. (I <3 my sleep doc. )

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by Newbie Woman » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:35 pm

Mine is always 13 or 14. No matter what happens, my rate never varies.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by racprops » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:34 pm

I am starting to think these machines give us a faster breathing rate.

Could because it puts the air in faster so we do not need long intake breaths??

I would really like more people to tell us their breath rates.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by palerider » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:44 pm

racprops wrote:I am starting to thing these machines give us a faster breathing rate.

Could because it puts the air in faster so we do not need long intake breaths??
the machines don't "put air in faster".

why are you so obcessed about this?

there are LOTS of posts of images in the forum, if you want to look at respiration rates for lots of people, start looking at posts.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by racprops » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:21 pm

palerider wrote:
racprops wrote:I am starting to thing these machines give us a faster breathing rate.

Could because it puts the air in faster so we do not need long intake breaths??
the machines don't "put air in faster".

why are you so obcessed about this?

there are LOTS of posts of images in the forum, if you want to look at respiration rates for lots of people, start looking at posts.

Well for one thing two people with Medical backgrounds have said I may have a problem with such a high rate, and two I did not think of running around digging into all kinds of threads looking for charts and lastly I don't have that much time to sit here doing that.

I have what seems to be great numbers BY THE MACHINE'S reporting and YET I still have crappy days so I am now looking for a possible cause that is not normally looked at or thought of.

As a few people here and on another site have said they have high breathing rates as well it is starting to look like I maybe on to something..a side effect, harmful?? I don't know yet.

As for my thinking it pushes in the air... well when I run at 8cm on inhale I cannot get my breath, and the higher I set it the easier it is to take a breath...

We supercharge cars to force air in faster and at higher pressures, our machines are doing something like that. We are no longer doing natural aspiration, we are being helped.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by palerider » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:23 pm

racprops wrote: As for my thinking it pushes in the air... well when I run at 8cm on inhale I cannot get my breath, and the higher I set it the easier it is to take a breath...

We supercharge cars to force air in faster and at higher pressures, our machines are doing something like that. We are no longer doing natural aspiration, we are being helped.
there's a rather *large* difference, not just the orders of magnitude between a super/turbo charger, and a cpap.

have you figured out what 8cm/h2o is in PSI??? give it a bit of math.

also, you're expiring with the same pressure, whereas an ICE isn't.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by Krelvin » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:42 pm

When I start out lying down, I have deeper and more frequent breaths, but fairly quickly my breathing slows down and gets shallower. The machine matches my breathing pattern, doesn't force me to breath faster.

Not so much with my newer S9, but my M-Series I would sometime wake up and not even realize I was on the machine it was so synced up with my breathing. I'd check to see if it was even running only to find it was working fine, just very matched up to my breathing pattern.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by Newbie Woman » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:08 pm

I'm synched with my machine the same way. I lift the mask just to check it sometimes and it feels like it's going to blow my face off. It's pretty amazing what our bodies can adjust to.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by palerider » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:12 pm

Newbie Woman wrote:I'm synched with my machine the same way. I lift the mask just to check it sometimes and it feels like it's going to blow my face off. It's pretty amazing what our bodies can adjust to.
in all fairness, the machine goes into overdrive trying to keep the pressure up when you lift the mask.

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Re: Breathing rate on a Machine?

Post by racprops » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:59 pm

OK I was given this information:

"You know as I typed the above I wondered if Google would be my friend, and sure enough, here is what I found;

Normal range
The typical respiratory rate for a healthy adult at rest is 12–20 breaths per minute.
Average resting respiratory rates by age are:
birth to 6 weeks: 30–60 breaths per minute
6 months: 25–40 breaths per minute
3 years: 20–30 breaths per minute
6 years: 18–25 breaths per minute
10 years: 12–15 breaths per minute
Adults: 12–15 breaths per minute


Diagnostic value
The value of respiratory rate as an indicator of potential respiratory dysfunction has been investigated but findings suggest it is of limited value.

One study found that only 33% of people presenting to an emergency department with an oxygen saturation below 90% had an increased respiratory rate.[citation needed] An evaluation of respiratory rate for the differentiation of the severity of illness in babies under 6 months found it not to be very useful. Approximately half of the babies had a respiratory rate above 50 breaths per minute, thereby questioning the value of having a "cut-off" at 50 breaths per minute as the indicator of serious respiratory illness.

It has also been reported that factors such as crying, sleeping, agitation and age have a significant influence on the respiratory rate.[citation needed] As a result of these and similar studies the value of respiratory rate as an indicator of serious illness is limited.

And there was this when I searched for what might be considered a high rate, suggesting under 20 is pretty darn normal;

Tachypnea (or "tachypnoea") (Greek: "rapid breathing") is the condition of rapid breathing. In adult humans at rest, any rate between 12-20 breaths per minute is normal and tachypnea is indicated by a ventilatory rate greater than 20 breaths per minute.[1] Children have significantly higher resting ventilatory rates, which decline rapidly during the first three years of life and steadily until around 18 years."

So that puts that as a possible problem to rest.

Good reporting.

Rich

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