How the Feds Made the Country Fat

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How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by The Choker » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:53 am

The top scientist guiding the U.S. government’s nutrition recommendations made an admission last month that would surprise most Americans. Low-fat diets, Alice Lichtenstein said, are “probably not a good idea.” It was a rare public acknowledgment conceding the failure of the basic principle behind 35 years of official American nutrition advice.

Yet the experts now designing the next set of dietary recommendations remain mired in the same anti-fat bias and soft science that brought us the low-fat diet in the first place. This is causing them to ignore a large body of rigorous scientific evidence that represents our best hope in fighting the epidemics of obesity, diabetes and heart disease.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/nina-tei ... 1414536989
Good article by Nina Teicholz.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Janknitz » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:00 am

The article is behind a paywall, but google Nina Teicholz and you'll find access to other articles she's written. She came out with a book this year called The Big Fat Suprise which is a must read if you still think whole grains and polyunsaturated fats are good for you.
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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by The Choker » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:19 am

Hmmm. I'll check back in two days. WSJ usually opens them to the public after a couple of days or so.
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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Sheriff Buford » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:21 am

Did the article have pizza anywhere in it? mmmm?

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by 49er » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:22 am

Sheriff Buford wrote:Did the article have pizza anywhere in it? mmmm?

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by The Choker » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:22 am

To get around the pay wall, try the link twice. It seems to open up if it is pinged twice from the same IP address or the same browser with cookies.
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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by kaiasgram » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:12 pm

You can get into the whole article via Google -- search on "Nina Teicholz" and it's the second hit.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by cathyf » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:41 pm

kaiasgram wrote:You can get into the whole article via Google -- search on "Nina Teicholz" and it's the second hit.
Trick though -- you have to let the google search page finish loading before you click on the link.

To deal with the subject -- in order to believe that the Feds made the country fat, you have to believe that a significant fraction of the country not only pays attention to what the government says about eating but actually eats the way they say.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Cereal Killer » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:03 pm

cathyf wrote: To deal with the subject -- in order to believe that the Feds made the country fat, you have to believe that a significant fraction of the country not only pays attention to what the government says about eating but actually eats the way they say.

If you don't believe this country started eating a lot of "fat-free products" as a result of the press the government got, then you are not in touch with reality.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

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Cereal Killer wrote:
cathyf wrote: To deal with the subject -- in order to believe that the Feds made the country fat, you have to believe that a significant fraction of the country not only pays attention to what the government says about eating but actually eats the way they say.

If you don't believe this country started eating a lot of "fat-free products" as a result of the press the government got, then you are not in touch with reality.
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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:43 am

Good article. I believe you can get around the pay wall by searching in your browser for Nina Teicholz and selecting the article, "The Last Anti-Fat Crusaders".


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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by archangle » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:06 pm

Far be it from me to defend the government, but the medical community was also very much into the idea that fats are bad and carbohydrates are good. Then throw in agribusiness hyping so-called healthy food. Then throw in the tendency we have to declare anything that feels good is bad for you.

Also don't forget that if you overeat almost anything, it's bad for you, it is bad for you. You're probably more likely to pig out on your eggs and bacon than on oatmeal.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Janknitz » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:26 pm

Also don't forget that if you overeat almost anything, it's bad for you, it is bad for you. You're probably more likely to pig out on your eggs and bacon than on oatmeal.
DISAGREE!!!! Back in the day I used to eat FOUR little instant oatmeal packets at 7 and I'd be starving by 10 a.m. I eat two eggs and a few slices of turkey bacon (I don't eat pork) at 7, and I'm good until 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I could ALWAYS pig out on carbs (ever mindlessly eat a bag of chips?), but there's only so many eggs you can eat.

Fat has an appetite suppressing quality. When I first went on low carbs I just wasn't hungry. I logged my food and found I was only eating about 900 calories a day--way too few as it was causing my thyroid to poop out (and not losing weight as a result!). If I tried to get by on 900 calories of carbs I'd be a starving, raving maniac. Try to eat 900 calories of butter and say you're still hungry--I dare you.

"If you overeat almost anything, it's bad for you" is true in many cases, but way too simplistic. The metabolic effect of foods on your body has to be figured into the equation.
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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Midnight Strangler » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:41 pm

DISAGREE!!!! Back in the day I used to eat FOUR little instant oatmeal packets at 7 and I'd be starving by 10 a.m. I eat two eggs and a few slices of turkey bacon (I don't eat pork) at 7, and I'm good until 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I could ALWAYS pig out on carbs (ever mindlessly eat a bag of chips?), but there's only so many eggs you can eat.
I sympathize with that. Back when I thought eggs and bacon were unhealthy I would eat cereal (the bottom of USDA food pyramid) with skim milk. I would get those carb cravings and eat two or three big bowls. Then I would be starving for lunch by 11:30.

Once I started eating eggs and bacon (like I did in my childhood) I could go to 1:00 p.m. and then I only had mild hunger.

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Re: How the Feds Made the Country Fat

Post by Paralel » Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:56 pm

cathyf wrote:
kaiasgram wrote:You can get into the whole article via Google -- search on "Nina Teicholz" and it's the second hit.
To deal with the subject -- in order to believe that the Feds made the country fat, you have to believe that a significant fraction of the country not only pays attention to what the government says about eating but actually eats the way they say.
Bingo.

Plus to blame the feds is just stupid. They aren't holding a gun to someones head and telling them to eat low fat. Any intelligent person would see low-fat is not working for them and try something else. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Of course, we all know that personal responsibility is dead, so its always easier to blame an external entity. Everyone is responsible for their own food intake and their own health, to believe otherwise is to fool yourself.