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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by Pesser » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:04 pm

Goofproof wrote:If it wasn't for post drift, most posts would be dull after 5 posts. Usually by 5 posts someone has stated the best answer, then the post continues with repeats of the previous answers in various makeshift variants.

Of the first 5 posts, one will be someone that doesn't no the answer, but has a keyboard that needs use.

One that doesn't read the post correctly, and answers based on what they thought the question was.

One that really answers the question pretty well, which many times is ignored.

One that clarifies the good answer, usefully.

By now it's time for a troll post.

By now it becomes a free for all, and the games begin!
In this forum the first post has a 100% chance of being incorrect; while the second post for the same subject, bears a 50% chance of its content being 60% correct with the rest being at least misleading. In the second post one finds that the chances of some things being correct, are four times as great as the first post was 1/2 as sure of being completely wrong. This is because not all the content of either post is wrong nor right.

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by Goofproof » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:24 pm

Another observation, a new post valid post will receive many views, but will not become hot, until the first person answers, then all of a sudden everyone has a the answer, but all different. Jim
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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by palerider » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:11 pm

Guest wrote:
palerider wrote:that one would be you.
once again you (and the others) are right.

I knew there was pressure on both sides and there would have to be a diff in pressure or there would be no flow. I just felt the medical community would use absolute pressure. Wrong again.
that varies far too much.

consider, at the time of this writing, the atmospheric pressure at denver intl is around 853cmh2o (multiply inches water by 2.54)
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/bou/include/web ... ebpres.txt

other locations, and even weather changes, cause further variations....

the only thing that matters, fortunately, is the relative pressure difference between your airway, and the air outside your body

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by archangle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:08 pm

Pesser wrote:The anxiety this is creating in me is beyond what I can endure.
Let's not scare the CPAP users who are already looking for a reason to not do CPAP.

First, I hope you realize that CPAP is pretty much irrelevant in terms of Radon. Agreed?

Radon is a "house" issue not a CPAP issue. Using CPAP is not going to significantly increase the risk of radon? Agreed?

As for Radon in general, if it bothers you that much, make some sort of device to blow outdoor air into your house and cause a positive pressure. Put a fan in the window blowing in. Install some sort of exhaust vent, but rig it to blow in, not out. You'll pay more for your heating/cooling bills, but you'll reduce the radon. The more air you blow in, the less radon, but the more your heating/cooling bill will be. If you want, only run the "fresh air in" device in the room you're living or sleeping in.

The more thought and effort you put into this, the better you can make tradeoffs between heating/cooling cost, comfort, and radon levels. High tech solutions cost more, but they are more energy efficient. I think the feds discourage some cheaper solutions because they waste energy.

There are plenty of much better places to discuss Radon exposure. It's really off topic for a CPAP forum and will cause unnecessary concern among CPAP users if we're not clear it has nothing to do with CPAP.

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by Pesser » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:49 pm

archangle wrote:
Pesser wrote:The anxiety this is creating in me is beyond what I can endure.
Let's not scare the CPAP users who are already looking for a reason to not do CPAP.

First, I hope you realize that CPAP is pretty much irrelevant in terms of Radon. Agreed?

Radon is a "house" issue not a CPAP issue. Using CPAP is not going to significantly increase the risk of radon? Agreed?

As for Radon in general, if it bothers you that much, make some sort of device to blow outdoor air into your house and cause a positive pressure. Put a fan in the window blowing in. Install some sort of exhaust vent, but rig it to blow in, not out. You'll pay more for your heating/cooling bills, but you'll reduce the radon. The more air you blow in, the less radon, but the more your heating/cooling bill will be. If you want, only run the "fresh air in" device in the room you're living or sleeping in.

The more thought and effort you put into this, the better you can make tradeoffs between heating/cooling cost, comfort, and radon levels. High tech solutions cost more, but they are more energy efficient. I think the feds discourage some cheaper solutions because they waste energy.

There are plenty of much better places to discuss Radon exposure. It's really off topic for a CPAP forum and will cause unnecessary concern among CPAP users if we're not clear it has nothing to do with CPAP.
Sorry about this. I should have done my own research about air pressure before posting.

Yes I agreed 100% with you. You actually did solve my problem. You showed me the CMh20 at sea level which is what I needed.

Radon (in case you didn’t know) is not an issue. I have determined that the REMS are what counts in risk. There is no risk in homes…anywhere. 75% of the scientist are against EPA standards anyway.

As far as the issue of mitigation of radon; it is certainly not an issue for this forum. It is a home issue. Anyone interested should pursue the issue on their own. If one feels that the home is in need of “curing” there are hundreds of ways to do it (all of them unnecessary; as I am discovering).

I want to thank you publicly for helping me figure the air pressure and its addition with CPAP. I agree with you that it is of no consequence.

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by SleepyEyes21 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:54 pm

Goofproof wrote:If it wasn't for post drift, most posts would be dull after 5 posts. Usually by 5 posts someone has stated the best answer, then the post continues with repeats of the previous answers in various makeshift variants.

Of the first 5 posts, one will be someone that doesn't no the answer, but has a keyboard that needs use.

One that doesn't read the post correctly, and answers based on what they thought the question was.

One that really answers the question pretty well, which many times is ignored.

One that clarifies the good answer, usefully.

By now it's time for a troll post.

By now it becomes a free for all, and the games begin!
Jim - this is hilarious!! Thanks for the laugh

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by archangle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:10 pm

The issue of LNT is somewhat important, though. Many people misunderstand.

The critics of LNT are arguing that LNT OVERESTIMATES the cancer risk from radiation.

Bottom line, if LNT is wrong, we're safer than we think.

Both of the youtube videos you link are people who are arguing that LNT overestimates the risk.

The lady is saying that the LNT based radiation exposure standards are safe. The real risk is probably lower.

The other one is affiliated with Lyndon Larouche. You know he's a nutjob, right? However, from the little of it I read, it's also arguing that LNT is overestimating the risks of radiation. i.e. they're attacking the "anti-radiation" folks.

The critics are saying that LNT leads us to do the wrong thing because we overestimate the risk. For instance, we might not get a life saving X-ray because of overblown fear of the risks. We might spend money reducing radiation when there's another way to spend that money that would save more lives. We don't build a nuclear power plant for fear of radiation but continue to use a coal fired power plant that puts mercury and other toxins into the air.

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Post by Pesser » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:25 pm

archangle wrote:The issue of LNT is somewhat important, though. Many people misunderstand.

The critics of LNT are arguing that LNT OVERESTIMATES the cancer risk from radiation.

Bottom line, if LNT is wrong, we're safer than we think.

Both of the youtube videos you link are people who are arguing that LNT overestimates the risk.

The lady is saying that the LNT based radiation exposure standards are safe. The real risk is probably lower.

The other one is affiliated with Lyndon Larouche. You know he's a nutjob, right? However, from the little of it I read, it's also arguing that LNT is overestimating the risks of radiation. i.e. they're attacking the "anti-radiation" folks.

The critics are saying that LNT leads us to do the wrong thing because we overestimate the risk. For instance, we might not get a life saving X-ray because of overblown fear of the risks. We might spend money reducing radiation when there's another way to spend that money that would save more lives. We don't build a nuclear power plant for fear of radiation but continue to use a coal fired power plant that puts mercury and other toxins into the air.
I see what you mean by Lyndon Larouche. But that’s not what the video is about. And the scientist being interviewed has huge data to back his stance. The LNT is simply an extraction of very bad science. It is not based on observed phenomena. Cohen has built his studies on 90% of Americans. That’s a large number. Radon is not an issue. Whether it is help at low doses is not relevant.

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Post by Pesser » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:29 pm

By the way; if you search for credible stuff on LNT you have great difficulty finding it. They never state what their sample size is; and are very cryptic about it all. The advocates of no-risk radon are very open and their studies easy to follow. I hope you are not angry with me!

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by Pesser » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:56 pm

Archangel:

Please remember that you have solved the problem. You have asked me “Let's not scare the CPAP users who are already looking for a reason to not do CPAP”. You state that “Using CPAP is not going to significantly increase the risk of radon? Agreed?” Yes of course. You have solved that problem too!!!!!

It would NOT surprise me that “Lyndon Larouche” affiliated myself with the scientist in my link, with passive support or no support from Dr. Edward Calabrese. Dr. Calabrese was a student of the Nobel Prize winner that started this, he was mis-quoted and that is where the first indication of LNT began. I agree with you on all the stuff. But I must condemn the LNT. I remember my statistics well. The LNT is not supportable very much like the vinegar argument. Thanks for your help! You’re very knowledgable!

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Post by archangle » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:24 pm

Pesser wrote:I see what you mean by Lyndon Larouche. But that’s not what the video is about. And the scientist being interviewed has huge data to back his stance. The LNT is simply an extraction of very bad science. It is not based on observed phenomena. Cohen has built his studies on 90% of Americans. That’s a large number. Radon is not an issue. Whether it is help at low doses is not relevant.
Yes, but it's important to realize that if LNT is wrong, it's almost certainly wrong in the "safe" direction.

If you believe LNT is bad science or a conspiracy, the conspiracy is to make us more afraid of radiation than we need to be. It's not big business trying to make us complacent about radiation. It's the nutjobs, quack medicine practitioners, pseudo environmentalists, vested interests, or lawsuit lawyers trying to stir up fear where none should exist.

Those who attack LNT are telling us that radiation is LESS of a risk than we think.

I personally think LNT is probably "wrong." However, it's a good first step in evaluating radiation risk. If LNT calculates an acceptable level of risk, I have a great deal of confidence that the level of risk is acceptable. You only need to investigate further if the risk calculated by LNT is too high.

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Re: Radon anxiety and cancer with CPAP

Post by Goofproof » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:34 pm

I wonder about the radiation from my yearly chemical stress test, I'll bet the damage it does trumps Radon by a large amount, not to mention all the x-rays from machines in my doctor's office. I bet they are rarely checked. Jim
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