Cpap negative side affects

[bv1800]

In the end, there are no, as in zero, medical treatments that don't have side effects. Even Tylenol has them (may cause kidney issues). The cases for Tylenol are rare, but they exist.

The real question for any one with OSA: do the risks out weigh the benefits? Since, as has been pointed out, most if not all of the side effects of CPAP therapy can be eliminated or at least greatly diminished, I would find it difficult to believe that there are many cases (as in a handful worldwide) where the uncontrollable side effects are worse for the individual than not getting treatment.

[Wulfman...]

I did the CPAP treatment for close to a month, then decided to not do it anymore. I had concerns to begin with, not to mention limiting positions to sleep comfortably with the mask on, and tube adjustment. Anyhow, right away, after stopping...I noticed my throat muscles felt weaker, and now...a year later alittle stronger, has not totally recouped from this treatment. Has anyone else noticed any problems with this? Curious...

Make out your will and stay off the highways! I don't give a rat's behind if you slowly kill yourself (you're going to die someday, anyway), but you're going to die sooner this way and hopefully you won't kill any innocent people in the process. It sounds like your brain is already dead. You're also going to be adding more costs to the healthcare system this way.
And, if you're still working, there's a possibility you may get fired from falling asleep on the job.


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[palerider]

In the end, there are no, as in zero, medical treatments that don't have side effects. Even Tylenol has them (may cause kidney issues). The cases for Tylenol are rare, but they exist.

um, that is almost totally incorrect.

tylenol (acetaminophen, paracetamol) is a *deadly* drug with even a fairly small overdose.

mild overdoses of acetaminophen cause liver failure.

Do not take more of this medication than is recommended. An overdose of acetaminophen can damage your liver or cause death. Call your doctor at once if you have nausea, pain in your upper stomach, itching, loss of appetite, dark urine, clay-colored stools, or jaundice (yellowing of your skin or eyes).

http://www.drugs.com/acetaminophen.html

Not thinking, it turns out, could cost you dearly... Acetaminophen overdose is actually the leading cause for calls to Poison Control Centers across the US—more than 100,000 instances per year—and, each year, is responsible for:1

More than 56,000 emergency room visits
2,600 hospitalizations
An estimated 458 deaths due to acute liver failure

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... rdose.aspx

The FDA has set the recommended maximum for adults at 4,000 milligrams per day. It's easier to reach this limit than you might think; one gel tablet of Extra Strength Tylenol, for example, contains 500 mg.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/health/fd ... en-dosage/

from 2007, a bit hyped, but still: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/dec ... hen_01.htm

and more: [urlhttps://www.google.com/search?num=100&safe=off& ... 9&dpr=1.09][/url]

I first learned about the dangers of "good old safe tylenol" when I was reading through the physicians desk reference some years ago (yeah, you knew I was weird, PDR, light reading) and looking at the listing for tylenol 3, (with that narcotic codeine in it, what did the PDR think was worthy of a whole column of warnings?

not the narcotic, but the acetaminophen in the pill. the codeine may make you a bit loopy if you take a few pills too many, but the safe reliable tylenol can *kill you*.

and from what I've read, dying of liver failure is a fairly unpleasant way to go.

think about that the next time you take a sleep aid, or a little extra pain killer... read the labels, find out what's in it. be good to your liver, you need it.

[Goofproof]

I did the CPAP treatment for close to a month, then decided to not do it anymore. I had concerns to begin with, not to mention limiting positions to sleep comfortably with the mask on, and tube adjustment. Anyhow, right away, after stopping...I noticed my throat muscles felt weaker, and now...a year later alittle stronger, has not totally recouped from this treatment. Has anyone else noticed any problems with this? Curious...

Maybe you caught "Quiters Virus", it's passed easily as many have poor immunity to it.

Might as well blame XPAP on it too, logic doesn't apply, neither do the facts. Jim

[bv1800]

In the end, there are no, as in zero, medical treatments that don't have side effects. Even Tylenol has them (may cause kidney issues). The cases for Tylenol are rare, but they exist.

um, that is almost totally incorrect.

While I won't even attempt to deny the liver damage that you document (I was unaware of it), the NIH seems to disagree with you:

"Recent studies have suggested that longstanding daily use of analgesics such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen may also increase the risk of chronic kidney damage"

http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/ ... phropathy/

[kteague]

I did the CPAP treatment for close to a month, then decided to not do it anymore. I had concerns to begin with, not to mention limiting positions to sleep comfortably with the mask on, and tube adjustment. Anyhow, right away, after stopping...I noticed my throat muscles felt weaker, and now...a year later alittle stronger, has not totally recouped from this treatment. Has anyone else noticed any problems with this? Curious...

I suggest based on my personal experience that once a person has been diagnosed and begins treatment, awareness increases of all the mechanics of what is happening with the throat. You know, like the old saying ignorance is bliss. It's hard to know and not have a heightened awareness. And if you quit for a year, maybe your awareness has been dulled again. I don't know, but thinking you are a year later still trying to recover from a month of CPAP use is outside the realm of easy believability for me. My question is what is the status of your OSA treatment?

[palerider]

Even Tylenol has them (may cause kidney issues). The cases for Tylenol are rare, but they exist.

um, that is almost totally incorrect.

While I won't even attempt to deny the liver damage that you document (I was unaware of it), the NIH seems to disagree with you:

the NIH says that there's even more worse with tylenol than the liver poisoning. that doesn't disagree with what I said.

your implication was that tylenol is mostly safe but could cause kidney issues... my point was that there's far far worse than long term kidney issues to be aware of. (I did say almost totally) not totally...

[tan]

Negative effects: unable to concentrate, cant do my work for i feel so rested and relaxed that i enjoy every moment while sitting at my desk

[FrankS]

I use a CPAP, and ended up with a corneal scar that gave me double vision and 20-60 vision in one eye.. Fortunately after a trip to Wills-Eye hospital and a leading corneal surgeon, it was corrected.
Now I've begun to experience scarring on my other eye... i hope i don't have to go through this again..

[Krelvin]

I use a CPAP, and ended up with a corneal scar that gave me double vision and 20-60 vision in one eye.. Fortunately after a trip to Wills-Eye hospital and a leading corneal surgeon, it was corrected.
Now I've begun to experience scarring on my other eye... i hope i don't have to go through this again..

Is that because the mask is hitting your eye? If so, you should be looking at another mask, mask type or fitting it so it doesn't. I don't see how that would happen just because you are using Cpap itself.

[palerider]

I use a CPAP, and ended up with a corneal scar that gave me double vision and 20-60 vision in one eye.. Fortunately after a trip to Wills-Eye hospital and a leading corneal surgeon, it was corrected.
Now I've begun to experience scarring on my other eye... i hope i don't have to go through this again..

please make some kind of connection between cpap and corneal scarring.

I mean, I use cpap, and my right wrist is currently hurting and in a brace... should I blame cpap for that? I think it might have been partially due to getting it crooked up against the waterbed frame, while sleeping with cpap...

cpap causes wrist problems!!

[Goofproof]

I use a CPAP, and ended up with a corneal scar that gave me double vision and 20-60 vision in one eye.. Fortunately after a trip to Wills-Eye hospital and a leading corneal surgeon, it was corrected.
Now I've begun to experience scarring on my other eye... i hope i don't have to go through this again..

please make some kind of connection between cpap and corneal scarring.

I mean, I use cpap, and my right wrist is currently hurting and in a brace... should I blame cpap for that? I think it might have been partially due to getting it crooked up against the waterbed frame, while sleeping with cpap...

cpap causes wrist problems!!

It is, you have carpal tunnel, from putting your mask on and off at night, didn't you heed the warning, "XPAP USE IS HARMFUL TO WRISTS".

It's only to be put on by your DME provider. Read the instructions and obey! Jim

[49er]

I use a CPAP, and ended up with a corneal scar that gave me double vision and 20-60 vision in one eye.. Fortunately after a trip to Wills-Eye hospital and a leading corneal surgeon, it was corrected.
Now I've begun to experience scarring on my other eye... i hope i don't have to go through this again..

please make some kind of connection between cpap and corneal scarring.

I mean, I use cpap, and my right wrist is currently hurting and in a brace... should I blame cpap for that? I think it might have been partially due to getting it crooked up against the waterbed frame, while sleeping with cpap...

cpap causes wrist problems!!

PR,

I can't provide a scientific link from pubmed that cpap usage leads to corneal abrasions but there have been previous reports of this on the forum. I don't know, it is just common sense that if air is leaking from the mask into the eyes, that not much good is going to result long term. Obviously, causation doesn't equal correlation but to blow off side effects, especially when there isn't long term research into them doesn't seem right either.

I always find this type of discussion interesting as for some reason, when people discuss side effects to a therapy, it seems to be so threatening to many people. It is like folks don't want to believe that mostly safe therapies can have side effects.

I encountered this when I reported an adverse affect from an alleged safe supplement. Oh no, I was told, that just can't be happening. Well, it was happening as I stopped taking it, the side effect disappeared. When I resumed it, it showed up again. Enough evidence for me.

And by the way, so no one misconstrues what I say, I am not claiming this is justification for quitting pap therapy. Obviously, dealing with many of the side effects stinks to high heaven but it is still better than the alternative.

49er

[zoocrewphoto]

I can't provide a scientific link from pubmed that cpap usage leads to corneal abrasions but there have been previous reports of this on the forum. I don't know, it is just common sense that if air is leaking from the mask into the eyes, that not much good is going to result long term. Obviously, causation doesn't equal correlation but to blow off side effects, especially when there isn't long term research into them doesn't seem right either.

I always find this type of discussion interesting as for some reason, when people discuss side effects to a therapy, it seems to be so threatening to many people. It is like folks don't want to believe that mostly safe therapies can have side effects.

49er

To me, this sounds like a side effect of a bad fitting mask, not cpap itself. A properly fitted mask will not have air flowing across the eyes, and thus would not cause eye problems like that. Just like an allergy to a mask can cause problems, those problems can be eliminated. When somebody has a side effect from a medication, they can't eliminate the side effect since there is no way to take the medication without causing the side effect in that person.

Correctly fitted cpap with the right settings should not have any negative side effects. If somebody is feeling side effects, then something isn't right.


Here's an example with me. When I sleep really well, I wake up with a sore back. Did the cpap cause the sore back. Of course not. The fact that I slept well and did not move around much caused the sore back. That will get better with time. I'm sure some people will say that it indirectly caused the sore back, but I am not going to blame cpap for it. I would rather sleep well and wake up with a sore back than sleep like crap and have a better feeling back.

[49er]

I can't provide a scientific link from pubmed that cpap usage leads to corneal abrasions but there have been previous reports of this on the forum. I don't know, it is just common sense that if air is leaking from the mask into the eyes, that not much good is going to result long term. Obviously, causation doesn't equal correlation but to blow off side effects, especially when there isn't long term research into them doesn't seem right either.

I always find this type of discussion interesting as for some reason, when people discuss side effects to a therapy, it seems to be so threatening to many people. It is like folks don't want to believe that mostly safe therapies can have side effects.

49er

To me, this sounds like a side effect of a bad fitting mask, not cpap itself. A properly fitted mask will not have air flowing across the eyes, and thus would not cause eye problems like that. Just like an allergy to a mask can cause problems, those problems can be eliminated. When somebody has a side effect from a medication, they can't eliminate the side effect since there is no way to take the medication without causing the side effect in that person.

Correctly fitted cpap with the right settings should not have any negative side effects. If somebody is feeling side effects, then something isn't right.


Here's an example with me. When I sleep really well, I wake up with a sore back. Did the cpap cause the sore back. Of course not. The fact that I slept well and did not move around much caused the sore back. That will get better with time. I'm sure some people will say that it indirectly caused the sore back, but I am not going to blame cpap for it. I would rather sleep well and wake up with a sore back than sleep like crap and have a better feeling back.

Excellent point Zoocrew and Krelvin made it previously which I forgot to acknowledge. But my point is which I didn't make very well is that if someone is reporting eye side effects, they shouldn't be blown off, particularly if it is a mask issue.