Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

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Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by zmbee » Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:56 pm

I've noticed that I've had severe leakage problems on particular nights (well over 24 L/min) and would like to reduce my leakage size and frequency. I have noticed that, even when wearing the Swift FX nasal pillow while using my computer, a turn of my head can sometimes disrupt the seal. My doctor has checked the pillow sizing and I'm changing the pillow about every month, so I don't think the problem exists with the fit or integrity, rather it seems that the rubber on the Swift FX is too flimsy for me. My doctor suggested that I try using the Airfit P10 instead since the rubber is more rigid and the fit is (supposedly) a little more secure. Has anyone used the AirFit P10? Is it comfortable? Did your leakage profile improve? Thank you for your help!

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:25 pm

I agree; mine do too.
--and the mask is so much easier to reassemble after washing!
--nothing like fighting that silly FX swivel into its hole to make you need an adult beverage!

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by RicaLynn » Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:43 pm

Did someone say adult beverages? Don't mind if I do...

I can't really give a comparison, as this is my first rodeo, but aside from my skin rebelling at the injustice of it all I love my P10.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by zmbee » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:08 pm

LOL Thanks for the laugh, chunkyfrog. Yes, I've faced the same frustration when reassembling the Swift FX, and sometimes I get it all back together, only to find that the nasal pillow is upside down. I think I'll give the P10 a try.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by ems » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:39 pm

Do a search at the top of this page... lots of posts about the Airfit P10.

I like the P10 a lot better than the Swift. Much more comfortable and easier to use all around.
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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by englandsf » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:36 pm

Huge fan of the P10, also the Nuance is good too. P10 really seals well, try the biggest pillows possible so they wedge...

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by zorki1c » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:14 pm

I switched from the Swift FX to the P10 and like it a lot better. The exhaust doesn't sound like a jet and doesn't blow a stream of air on your partner. One difference: I used a meduium pillow on the FX but the Large works best on the P10. Other users have had a similar experience.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by bv1800 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:50 am

zorki1c wrote:I switched from the Swift FX to the P10 and like it a lot better. The exhaust doesn't sound like a jet and doesn't blow a stream of air on your partner. One difference: I used a medium pillow on the FX but the Large works best on the P10. Other users have had a similar experience.
X2 on all points (including needing the larger size). I'm a side sleeper and find that I don't have to "hunt" for the perfect position, to avoid air leaks when sleeping on my side, like I did with the FX.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by robysue » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:54 am

I've used both.

Right now, I'm back to the Swift FX. The "one size fits most" headgear on the P10 is a bit problematic for me, but it's not a deal killer. The redesigned exhaust vents are wonderful compared to the jet engine design on the FX. But the rigid "pillow base" on the P10 is not as comfortable to me and when I roll around, it seems to get bumped and that causes the mask to get knocked around a bit more, which triggers some minor leaks that wake me up. There's also a very subtle change in pillow angle between the two masks, and the FX seems to fit my nose better. (I can easily see how some other noses would find this subtle change makes the P10 more comfortable than the FX.)

The Bella Loops headgear can't be used on the P10 pillows, and I appreciate being able to switch to the Loops now and then just to allow my hair to freely go where ever it wants. (If I didn't have attached ear lobes, I'd wear the loops full time; but my ear lobes can only take about 2-3 days of the Loops before they need a break.)

The redesigned exhaust vents make Padacheek's Swift FX barrel cozies will NOT fit the P10 since there's a chance that they'll cover one or both of the exhaust vents on the P10. I sure hope Padacheek figures out a way to make a cozy for the P10---I miss the cozy when I use my P10.

And, unlike chunkyfrog, I find the P10 harder to clean than the FX: The pillows base is permanently attached to the top of the small hose and the swivel is not at this end of the hose. And even though the top half of the pillows comes off, I still find it more awkward to clean the dang hose with that pillow base attached. I also like to "whip" my hoses around overhead lasso style after cleaning to get some of the excess water out of the inside of the hose. And with the design of the P10's small hose, I'm quite afraid that regardless of how I chose to do the whipping, the hose will develop a tear due to stress at the pillows end of the hose.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by palerider » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:22 am

robysue wrote:I also like to "whip" my hoses around overhead lasso style after cleaning to get some of the excess water out of the inside of the hose.
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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by robysue » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:05 am

palerider wrote:
robysue wrote:I also like to "whip" my hoses around overhead lasso style after cleaning to get some of the excess water out of the inside of the hose.
yeehaw. ride 'em cowgirl?
Hubby does refer to it as my "Annie Oakley" impersonation

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by dtsm » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:49 am

The fx never worked for me and I've been happy with the Aeomed. Unfortunately my inventory is limited so have been trying AirFit off and on for past several months....unsuccessfully.

Did not give up and have been using with moderate success the past week -- as others have noted, it seemed bumping up one size on the pillows makes a huge difference. Historically tried small but this time found medium works pretty well. YMMV

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by RogerSC » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:40 am

I have tried the AirFit P10 at least once in the past, maybe twice, but decided to give it one more try since I'm having to tighten the Swift FX a bit more than I'd like to prevent leaks that wake me up. Didn't used to be that way, I guess that my needs have changed a bit over the last 2.5 years, or I'm learning more about minimizing leaks. I have been attracted to the quietness of the P10, the lighter weight, and the diffuseness of the venting. On the other hand, the headgear is still an open question for me, but I can work with it. My concern is with the headgear shifting, since I have to wear the bands further apart than the default position to make it comfortable for me. And the long term durability of the headgear, of course. But long term headgear durability is less important than whether it works for me.

Anyways, took a really close look at the nasal pillows this time, and ended up using the Small, since it appeared to have the potential for not leaking, while the Medium that I had used before seemed that it would leak if it was shifted around. Being a shifty side sleeper, this has been a big concern. So used the AirFit last night, loved the quietness and lightness of it, and my 95% leak number was 0. Not being awakened by leaks was a promising start, and it was comfortable in the sense that I can wear it looser than the Swift FX, so I'm motivated to make it work.

While the AirFit isn't the ideal "no impact" cpap mask for me by any means, it feels closer to it than the Swift FX has been for last few months. One of the things that pushed me to try it one more time was that during a recent vacation, sleeping in smaller beds, I got more complaints about the flow of air out of the vent. Not an issue with this mask.

I'll give it a go, my initial impression is that it is a big step up from the Swift FX in terms of comfort and the venting is much better designed.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by palerider » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:04 pm

RogerSC wrote:. My concern is with the headgear shifting, since I have to wear the bands further apart than the default position to make it comfortable for me.
having the strap split makes it more stable for me than having it together... gives it a bit more anchor, it seems.

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Re: Resmed AirFit P10 versus Swift FX

Post by RogerSC » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:50 pm

palerider wrote:
RogerSC wrote:. My concern is with the headgear shifting, since I have to wear the bands further apart than the default position to make it comfortable for me.
having the strap split makes it more stable for me than having it together... gives it a bit more anchor, it seems.
My concern is that I move around a lot when I sleep, so I'm wondering how much the half-strap that's near my forehead will slide around. The "default" position looks pretty stable, all right. Time will tell.