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SoClean

Post by murphy22 » Wed May 21, 2014 6:40 pm

I got an email the other day from Better Health trying to sell me their cpap cleaning machine SoClean. It really sounded interesting because it is supposed to be good for people with allergies and you don't have to take your machine apart and it cleans the mask, hose, and humidifier chamber. Does anyone know anything about this?

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Re: SoClean

Post by library lady » Wed May 21, 2014 7:12 pm

I looked into it but decided against it... it's expensive, for one thing, and I don't really have a place to keep the thing in my tiny apartment. Even if I had space for it, I don't think I'd invest in it as cleaning is a breeze and takes very little time if you keep up with it on a regular basis. Hose and headgear don't need daily cleaning, and I rinse the water tank and wash the mask every morning. Five minutes at the most each day, once a week I spend more time because of hose and headgear...

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Re: SoClean

Post by archangle » Wed May 21, 2014 9:00 pm

It generates ozone, which doesn't magically disintegrate dirt, oil, minerals, etc. Ozone can kill germs in some cases. To me, "cleaning" means removing "dirty" material, not just killing germs.

Ozone can also damage plastics and some other materials. The manufacturer implies it has the right parameters to kill germs without damaging your equipment. I'm skeptical.

There are a lot of reports from users who seem to be happy with it. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean it works. Lots of people are happy with new products that turn out to not really do anything in the end. This is especially common in medically related stuff.

They are obviously promoting this device through the internet. That means you need to take all the social network and other internet reports with a grain of salt.

It probably does dry out your hose and mask in the cleaning cycle, which is good, but there are much easier ways to do that.

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Re: SoClean

Post by beautifuldreamer » Wed May 21, 2014 10:52 pm

From what I was reading, it is good at sanitizing the cpap equipment, but it doesn't wash off the oils from your face that get on the mask. But the people who purchased the SoClean seem to like it a lot.

I was wondering about the UV-C wands, that are also supposed to disinfect- does anybody use those as an extra measure to disinfect their CPAP equipment?

I found this which is a quote on a post from Pugsy, where someone else was asking about the SoClean-

"Re: has anyone used teh SoClean 2 Cpap cleaner

New post by Pugsy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:05 pm
A few here have used it..not many though and some of the forum members who posted in the past about using it don't come around much anymore.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=96264&p=891118&hilit=SoClean#p891118

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94874&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=SoClean

or sort through the older threads where it was mentioned or discussed
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&keywords=%2BSoClean++&start=30
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Re: SoClean

Post by archangle » Thu May 22, 2014 12:00 am

beautifuldreamer wrote:From what I was reading, it is good at sanitizing the cpap equipment, but it doesn't wash off the oils from your face that get on the mask. But the people who purchased the SoClean seem to like it a lot.
It's good at convincing the buyers that it's good at sanitizing the CPAP equipment. I haven't seen any good, independent testing, or any kind of certification of germ killing.

"Sanitizing" is supposed to be both germ killing and cleaning. Once again, it can't remove dirt, or the contaminants that germs feed off of.

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Re: SoClean

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu May 22, 2014 7:33 am

I agree with arch.
Until I actually see one in use in a medical facility, maybe it's just more snake oil.
Also, if it were legit, it would be available at more places, say cpap.com.
Remember, the "good" stuff is often only sold to the pro's.

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Re: SoClean

Post by Day_Dreamer » Thu May 22, 2014 12:29 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:I agree with arch.
Until I actually see one in use in a medical facility, maybe it's just more snake oil.
Also, if it were legit, it would be available at more places, say cpap.com.
Remember, the "good" stuff is often only sold to the pro's.

easybreath.com has it and my Doctor was talking about it as well

I had a large credit @ an online vendor so I picked this up

I with be doing a weekly manual cleaning as well after reading this thread

It is easy to use and makes my equipment smell fresh every night

Only issue is with the tube that runs to the humidifier as it makes removing the humidity tub difficult

I noticed water accumulating on the bottom of the humidifier last night and had to disconnect the entire thing (it's a pain)

Also anyone using a heated hose will need an adaptor ($50)

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Re: SoClean

Post by rsprods » Wed May 28, 2014 4:17 pm

I ordered a SoClean 2 last week and while awaiting its arrival I've been continuing to research the device. I called the manufacturer and spoke to them about concerns that were raised here and elsewhere about potential damage to plastics and other materials used in the manufacturing of CPAP equipment. They insisted it was safe to use and that the only "damage" they're aware of is that the ozone used by the SoClean can potentially cause certain older silicone mask parts to yellow prematurely.

I then called ResMed to see what their opinion was regarding the use of the SoClean with their equipment and they stated quite unequivocally that they do not recommend the product - reason being that "the chemical" (i.e. ozone) used by the machine is known to cause damage to certain metals and plastics and can, over time, cause these materials to break down. They explained that the only thing they recommend using to clean their equipment is mild soap.

My immediate thought was to cancel my SoClean purchase, which I may still do. However, it then occurred to me that the only parts coming into direct contact with ozone would be the mask, tubing, and water reservoir - all of which are supposed to be replaced anyway every 3-6 months (depending on the part) so even if the ozone did in fact cause some kind of damage or microscopic breakdown of some of the materials used, it wouldn't really matter in the long run. On the other hand, if you don't intend to replace your various CPAP parts as frequently as recommended, perhaps the ozone could be a problem. The one thing I'm wondering right now is could the ozone have a negative effect on any parts that aren't part of the actual cleaning cycle, such as the CPAP machine itself, the humidifier, or the electrical cord? If so, I'm not sure I can rationalize experimenting with the SoClean, let alone investing upwards of $300 on the device.

I'd greatly appreciate any feedback.

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Re: SoClean

Post by Todzo » Wed May 28, 2014 4:30 pm

So I had an old CPAP machine once upon a time which developed the smell of mold (6th year). For about 12 dollars I bought a car deodorizer which simply developed ozone. I already had a 12 volt power supply so some clips and the existing supply powered the car deodorizer and I placed it and my running CPAP machine in a plastic storage container and simply let the ozone air do it's thing for an hour or two. Then I took the machine out of the container and continued to let it run in the open air for a couple of hours.

It no longer smelled of mold. Indeed it smelled quite fresh.

If you need to help an old machine work you can do this for a minimal investment.

But on a regular basis even the basic “kill them all” approach to dealing with the microbial life that will happen inside the machine seems unwise to me. Let alone the potential damage to parts and all.

I have never believed the SoClean approach was wise and I probably never will.
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Re: SoClean

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed May 28, 2014 7:38 pm

I found a little can of Ozium at the hardware store for a buck.
Never heard of it before.
Apparently connoisseurs of the bud use it to misdirect the "man".
I would not spray directly on equipment, but a sealed box and cotton balls for the oz . . .

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Re: SoClean

Post by Todzo » Wed May 28, 2014 7:48 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:I found a little can of Ozium at the hardware store for a buck.
Never heard of it before.
Apparently connoisseurs of the bud use it to misdirect the "man".
I would not spray directly on equipment, but a sealed box and cotton balls for the oz . . .
an in an emergency you can probably use it to weld

http://timemist.com/images/msds/53010CW ... 0Spray.pdf
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Re: SoClean

Post by archangle » Wed May 28, 2014 11:26 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:I found a little can of Ozium at the hardware store for a buck.
Never heard of it before.
Apparently connoisseurs of the bud use it to misdirect the "man".
I would not spray directly on equipment, but a sealed box and cotton balls for the oz . . .
Many people think "ozium" is somehow related to "ozone." It isn't.

There's also a folk myth about "clear mountain air" having "ozone" and that being good. "Ozone" gets a folk/tree hugger aura of being good. There's actually little ozone in the air in the mountains. You have to get way above the heights where humans can breathe to get much ozone.

The ozone layer in the upper atmosphere is a good thing because it blocks UV. Ozone in the air you breathe is always bad. Ozone in contact with your body is almost always bad. Ozone is a nasty part of air pollution in some cities, and is believed to be harmful to people in smoggy areas.

In theory, the SoClean does not expose you to ozone. The risk, if any, is to your CPAP equipment.

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Re: SoClean

Post by rsprods » Wed May 28, 2014 11:56 pm

One would think that both the original SoClean and the SoClean 2 would have had to have been cleared to be safe before receiving funding and going to market. I would also think that they would have had to have shown that their product would not damage expensive medical equipment. I have no idea who would oversee such things, but I would certainly hope its true.

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Re: SoClean

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu May 29, 2014 6:04 am

Usually, a product need only prove to be "safe".
Effectiveness is another thing entirely.
You can get ozone off a plasma ball, which I've seen for under $20.

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Re: SoClean

Post by derhalli » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:19 pm

Did anybody use the SoClean with an APAP? If yes, please comment on my other post about your experience

viewtopic/p925366/SoClean-2-machine-with-APAP.html

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