why the negative on autoset escape?

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why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by jootee » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:37 pm

If the only difference between elite and. escape is the reading why are so many people showing a "throw it out" response to escape when you can get detailed results with sleepyhead? Isnt the info on screen the same as what sleepyhead will provide? It doesnt seem that big a deal to me.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by Jeff241 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:45 pm

The escape doesn't store any data other than hours used. Which means you are unable to get any usable data from it, almost like having a brick.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:50 pm

There are more differences, many more.
Janknitz has prepared this blog, detailing the differences:
http://maskarrayed.wordpress.com/
Both the Escape and Escape Auto are considered "bricks", giving no useful THERAPY data.
Sleepyhead simply comes up blank, as these machines don't record all that cool stuff.
The machines work the same, but there is little or no feedback.
They may work for back-up or travel machines, but unless you really love repeated sleep studies, you don't want one.
Edit: please note--there is no autoset escape.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by kaiasgram » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:00 pm

jootee wrote:If the only difference between elite and. escape is the reading why are so many people showing a "throw it out" response to escape when you can get detailed results with sleepyhead? Isnt the info on screen the same as what sleepyhead will provide? It doesnt seem that big a deal to me.
You cannot get any data from the Escape, not on the screen and not in SleepyHead. The only data is number of hours the machine has been used.

There is no model called "autoset escape" as you wrote in your subject line. There is an Escape Auto model which offers limited data (for example, AHI but no differentiation between hypopnea, obstructive and clear airway) -- I also recall some discussion here about a functional limitation with the Escape Auto. Not sure if I could explain it well enough.

SleepyHead (or any software) can only show you what your machine records.

So we encourage people to avoid -- or ditch -- the Escape because it offers absolutely no way to evaluate the effectiveness of the therapy in controlling apneas. Ironic since the medical 'definition' of successful PAP therapy is AHI below 5. But the Escape doesn't even record AHI.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by jootee » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:13 pm

kaiasgram wrote:
jootee wrote:If the only difference between elite and. escape is the reading why are so many people showing a "throw it out" response to escape when you can get detailed results with sleepyhead? Isnt the info on screen the same as what sleepyhead will provide? It doesnt seem that big a deal to me.
You cannot get any data from the Escape, not on the screen and not in SleepyHead. The only data is number of hours the machine has been used.

There is no model called "autoset escape" as you wrote in your subject line. There is an Escape Auto model which offers limited data (for example, AHI but no differentiation between hypopnea, obstructive and clear airway) -- I also recall some discussion here about a functional limitation with the Escape Auto. Not sure if I could explain it well enough.

SleepyHead (or any software) can only show you what your machine records.

So we encourage people to avoid -- or ditch -- the Escape because it offers absolutely no way to evaluate the effectiveness of the therapy in controlling apneas. Ironic since the medical 'definition' of successful PAP therapy is AHI below 5. But the Escape doesn't even record AHI. [/qu

Thank you. that explains it perfectly!

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by palerider » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:57 pm

kaiasgram wrote:I also recall some discussion here about a functional limitation with the Escape Auto. Not sure if I could explain it well enough.
the escape auto uses the old programming from the s8 autoset, it does not have the ability to try and figure out if an apnea is central or obstructive, so it uses the old a10 routine, where it treats anything at a pressure under 10 as obstructive and anything over 10 as central. so it's a less effective treatment.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:53 pm

I think my Intellipap Autoadjust works better than that--at way less moolah.
(waiting for my son to give it a try--I can buy another if he can use it.)

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by palerider » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:20 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:I think my Intellipap Autoadjust works better than that--at way less moolah.
(waiting for my son to give it a try--I can buy another if he can use it.)
I buy all my stuff on the black market, er, craigslist, so far.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by ShelaghDB » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:24 pm

I buy all my stuff on the black market, er, craigslist, so far

Same here but I wouldn't refer to it as the "black market"
That implies to many people that its all hot merchandise, when its not

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by palerider » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:28 pm

ShelaghDetachedBrain wrote:
I buy all my stuff on the black market, er, craigslist, so far

Same here but I wouldn't refer to it as the "black market"
That implies to many people that its all hot merchandise, when its not
well, no, actually, it doesn't, not that I'd expect you to be able to differentiate.

perhaps you should look up the definition before you go further.

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Re: why the negative on autoset escape?

Post by Janknitz » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:04 pm

In addition to what has already been mentioned (lack of analysis as to type of event that causes AHI), the Escape Auto has no leak data. Sometimes that's the most important data to have, because if the mask is leaking too much, then ALL of the other data is suspect.
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