Interesting for any male prescribed testosterone:

http://www.newswise.com/articles/high-t ... -obese-men :

"Analyses demonstrated that higher total testosterone level strongly correlated with more shallow sleep. This association, Van Cauter said, was independent from the presence of other factors known to decrease sleep quality, such as age, race/ethnicity and OSA severity. Because doctors are increasingly prescribing testosterone replacement therapy for middle-aged and older men with low testosterone levels, Van Cauter said, 'Further studies are needed to clarify the impact of testosterone replacement on sleep quality, especially sleep depth.' "

Thanks for that comment. It may be useful to me.

What do they mean by shallow?

Guest wrote:What do they mean by shallow?

They appear to mean low sleep quality, or as they put it, "wak[ing] up easily and feel[ing] unrested." Although they also seem to hint at less slow-wave (or, "deep") sleep in general, on average.

The sleep comments and descriptions are not well worded in what I linked to, since they seem to be trying to oversimplify the findings. But it underscores the fact that any drug or hormone will have some effect on sleep, and the effect may be highly individual, in the sense of having more of an effect on one person's sleep than on another person's sleep.

Although the finding may, of course, be more related to what testosterone treats than to what it causes. That's just the nature of statistical association.

In my opinion.

Seem wishy- washy. Not so interesting to read?

---If all this is true, why is it so hard for a new daddy to get up with the baby? HUH?????

Guest wrote:Seem wishy- washy. Not so interesting to read?

Good science is always wishy-washy, I believe, according to my understanding, as far as I know, in my opinion, at least in many instances, on average, anecdotally speaking, at least sometimes, either individually or overall, according to the literature, as a rule of thumb.

jnk wrote:

Guest wrote:Seem wishy- washy. Not so interesting to read?

Good science is always wishy-washy, I believe, according to my understanding, as far as I know, in my opinion, at least in many instances, on average, anecdotally speaking, at least sometimes, either individually or overall, according to the literature, as a rule of thumb.

jnk wrote:

Guest wrote:Seem wishy- washy. Not so interesting to read?

Good science is always wishy-washy, I believe, according to my understanding, as far as I know, in my opinion, at least in many instances, on average, anecdotally speaking, at least sometimes, either individually or overall, according to the literature, as a rule of thumb.

well done!

chunkyfrog wrote:---If all this is true, why is it so hard for a new daddy to get up with the baby? HUH?????

low testosterone after donating it all to the cause? *ducks*

You, sir, are funny!

chunkyfrog wrote:You, sir, are funny!

I have been accused of being funny looking.