I feel better without my CPAP

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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by kaiasgram » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:39 pm

annieca wrote:Wow, this thread was not nice. I began using the Apnea Support Forum and thought that I would find a different community here. I, also, am in need of some emotional support because I'm having trouble understanding why, no matter what I do, I cannot adjust to cpap. I can kind of understand that this forum would be less understanding about negative comments about cpap since it is "cpaptalk" but still...

The op is, according to many studies, in the majority of people; more people abandon cpap than stick with it.

I don't understand why I can't adjust. I don't understand why I rip off my mask while I'm unconscious.
It's the truth.
Why would anyone lie about that?

It's infuriating. I can leave it on for, at most, 2-3 hours.

Maybe the op just needed some emotional support...and y'all kicked her. Good job!
Hi Annie -- This particular thread definitely does not represent the best of the best that our forum has to offer.

If you want to start a new thread with more information about your situation you will likely get some valuable feedback to help get your therapy on track.

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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:56 pm

annieca wrote:Wow, this thread was not nice. I began using the Apnea Support Forum and thought that I would find a different community here. I, also, am in need of some emotional support because I'm having trouble understanding why, no matter what I do, I cannot adjust to cpap. I can kind of understand that this forum would be less understanding about negative comments about cpap since it is "cpaptalk" but still...

The op is, according to many studies, in the majority of people; more people abandon cpap than stick with it.

I don't understand why I can't adjust. I don't understand why I rip off my mask while I'm unconscious.
It's the truth.
Why would anyone lie about that?

It's infuriating. I can leave it on for, at most, 2-3 hours.

Maybe the op just needed some emotional support...and y'all kicked her. Good job!
My question for you is:
"How would you respond to a person who gave (vastly) conflicting pieces of information and would not answer questions?"


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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by robysue » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:02 pm

annieca wrote:Wow, this thread was not nice. I began using the Apnea Support Forum and thought that I would find a different community here. I, also, am in need of some emotional support because I'm having trouble understanding why, no matter what I do, I cannot adjust to cpap. I can kind of understand that this forum would be less understanding about negative comments about cpap since it is "cpaptalk" but still...
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Maybe the op just needed some emotional support...and y'all kicked her. Good job!
annieca,

I'm a regular poster on both this forum and Apnea Support Forum.

I'm sorry you don't think this thread is nice. But please read the beginning of the thread again: There's not a snarky comment directed towards the OP on the first page, unless you think that it is unreasonable to ask a person to clarify where the data they are stating they have is coming from. And yes, there are posts that are questioning the validity of the data: We are a skeptical bunch when it comes to data reported by DMEs (or docs), but not actually given to the user of the machine; we've seen too many cases where a DME has simply lied to a person about the fact that the PAP the person is using does not record efficacy data. And those of us with full efficacy data machines know that it is really very unusual to have NO apneas and NO unintentional leaks show up night after night in real data recorded by our machines.

And there are a bunch of posts, starting with mine, that point out an obvious and serious contradiction in what the OP is posting and asking her for clarification: If the OP is using a PR System One SE at night (like her signature indicates), there is no data being recorded by the machine. And nobody, including the OP's hubby, can read data that does NOT exist. And it is NOT snarky to point this out to the OP.

So either the OP has put the wrong machine in her profile, and it's a reasonable request to ask her to tell us the exact machine and model number she IS using, OR the OP put the correct machine in her profile and somebody is indeed lying to her if they say, "I checked the data on your machine and it says your AHI = 0.0 and you have no unintentional leaks." And it is NOT snarky to point this out: We're trying to be helpful, but there's not much we can say until and unless we resolve the issue about whether the OP's machine actually records efficacy data or not.

Those of us who have been around here for a long time have seen many, many newbies come here trying to figure out why they are still feeling so rotten when with their DMEs (mostly) and sleep docs keep telling them "the data says everything is fine" only to for us to help them discover that their S9 Escape or the PR System One SE or PR System One Plus doesn't record any data except how many hours the user used the machine. We don't like having to point this out to people. It makes us angry that we have another newbie who has been royally screwed by the very people who are supposed to be helping the newbie get the apnea under control. We're NOT angry at the newbie; we are angry at the people who have been telling the new poster for weeks (or months or, occasionally years) that "everything is fine because the data looks good" when there is NO data available that can be used to verify whether the OSA is really under control or that the leaks are under control.

And the irony of the OP being a Registered Respiratory Therapist who is married to a Pulmonologist and still getting stuck with a BRICK of a machine (if she's listed it correctly) is not lost on long term forum members: It is a really sad situation captured elegantly by the old English saw that the cobbler's children have no shoes.

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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by robysue » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:21 pm

annieca wrote: The op is, according to many studies, in the majority of people; more people abandon cpap than stick with it.
And most of the ones who quit never find a support group. And they don't get proper support from their DME or sleep doc when they hit troubles during the adjustment period. And they're typically stuck with a machine that records no efficacy data, so neither the sleep doc nor the DME has any real idea of whether the person is leaking like a sieve all night or whether the person's pressure is too low to properly prevent the obstructive events or whether the person is in the unlucky 15% of PAPers who develop pressure-induced central apneas and is now experiencing enough CAs to indicate that an ASV machine might be called for.
I don't understand why I can't adjust. I don't understand why I rip off my mask while I'm unconscious.
It's the truth.
Why would anyone lie about that?

It's infuriating. I can leave it on for, at most, 2-3 hours.
I'd encourage you to start your own thread.

But for now, I'll write this:

1) Can you tell us what machine you are using? And if it is a machine that records efficacy data, have you had a chance to look at the data? Has the DME or sleep doc looked at any of the data beyond how many hours you are using the machine?

2) What mask are you using?

3) You say you rip your mask off while you are unconscious. Does that mean that you can get to sleep at the start of the night with the mask on? And then you wake up several hours later with the mask off and with no memory of taking it off? Or are you having trouble at the beginning of the night as well?

We're not responsible for what we do in our sleep. But we are responsible for what we do when we are awake.

If you are able to get to sleep at the beginning of the night with the mask on, then the question you need to grapple with is: What should I do when I wake up and the mask is off?

And my advice on that is to put the mask back on and go back to sleep. And NOT worry (at all!) about why you took the mask off in your sleep. Just calmly put the mask back on your nose and settle back into bed and try to get back to sleep as best you can.

If you are consciously putting the mask back on whenever you find you've taken it off in your sleep before you turn over to try to get back to sleep, then eventually your brain will sort it out and you'll probably quit taking it off in your sleep.

But if you start worrying excessively about it every time you wake up with the mask off OR if you consciously allow yourself to just go back to sleep without putting the mask back on, then you'll probably continue ripping it off in your sleep.

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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by Wulfman... » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:35 pm

annieca wrote:Wow, this thread was not nice. I began using the Apnea Support Forum and thought that I would find a different community here. I, also, am in need of some emotional support because I'm having trouble understanding why, no matter what I do, I cannot adjust to cpap. I can kind of understand that this forum would be less understanding about negative comments about cpap since it is "cpaptalk" but still...

The op is, according to many studies, in the majority of people; more people abandon cpap than stick with it.

I don't understand why I can't adjust. I don't understand why I rip off my mask while I'm unconscious.
It's the truth.
Why would anyone lie about that?

It's infuriating. I can leave it on for, at most, 2-3 hours.

Maybe the op just needed some emotional support...and y'all kicked her. Good job!
Removing the mask during sleep is probably the most universal problem that new users have. For the most part, we've ALL done it. We just learned how to quit doing it. This is a new way of sleeping and we need to adapt to it. It's not "normal" to sleep with something strapped to one's face, but it's not hard to overcome with a little diligence.

It would also help if you would start your own thread AND put all of your equipment in your profile......including pressure and humidifier settings.


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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by annieca » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:54 pm

I started a new thread. Now I need to figure out how to put the data into profile.
Sorry, RKL for hijacking your thread. I hope you can get the support you need.
I hope I can get the support I need before I go from cranky to postal.
God help us all.

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Re: I feel better without my CPAP

Post by Stevoreno_55 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:26 pm

Wulfman... wrote:
annieca wrote:Wow, this thread was not nice. I began using the Apnea Support Forum and thought that I would find a different community here. I, also, am in need of some emotional support because I'm having trouble understanding why, no matter what I do, I cannot adjust to cpap. I can kind of understand that this forum would be less understanding about negative comments about cpap since it is "cpaptalk" but still...

The op is, according to many studies, in the majority of people; more people abandon cpap than stick with it.

I don't understand why I can't adjust. I don't understand why I rip off my mask while I'm unconscious.
It's the truth.
Why would anyone lie about that?

It's infuriating. I can leave it on for, at most, 2-3 hours.

Maybe the op just needed some emotional support...and y'all kicked her. Good job!
Removing the mask during sleep is probably the most universal problem that new users have. For the most part, we've ALL done it. We just learned how to quit doing it. This is a new way of sleeping and we need to adapt to it. It's not "normal" to sleep with something strapped to one's face, but it's not hard to overcome with a little diligence.

It would also help if you would start your own thread AND put all of your equipment in your profile......including pressure and humidifier settings.


Den

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Having been on CPAP myself since 1999 I have to totally agree with your statement.



Stevoreno_55
MS Gulf Coast
04/25/14

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