First Sleepyhead Stats

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First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:53 am

I'm sure this has been asked many times - and I can't upload a pic now, but can someone tell me how this looks for now?

My statistics from last night:
Channel Min Med 95% Max
PressurePressure (cmH20)
W-Avg: 11.00 11.00 11.00 11.00 11.00
Minute Vent.Minute Ventilation (L/min)
W-Avg: 6.35 0.12 6.00 9.25 23.38
Resp. RateRespiratory Rate (breaths/min)
W-Avg: 19.59 11.57 19.40 23.00 26.00
LeaksLeak Rate (L/min)
W-Avg: 0.32 0.00 0.00 1.00 5.00
Total LeaksTotal Leak Rate (L/min)
W-Avg: 27.70 22.00 28.00 32.00 35.00
SnoreSnore (unknown)
W-Avg: 1.82 0.00 0.00 16.00 35.00
Insp TimeInspiratory Time (seconds)
W-Avg: 1.64 0.32 1.58 2.18 3.78
Exp TimeExpiratory Time (seconds)
W-Avg: 1.42 0.38 1.38 1.92 2.86
Tidal VolumeTidal Volume (ml)
W-Avg: 317.07 13.33 300.00 480.00 1260.00

Also - it says I had 44 vibratory snore events?? Is that possible and that is what has me concerned. As soon as I read the screen shot thread I'll try to post the graphs. Thanks for your help.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:57 am

Of all the above the leak data is all I look at in this section of statistics.
Scootergirl wrote:Total LeaksTotal Leak Rate (L/min)
W-Avg: 27.70 22.00 28.00 32.00 35.00
Your leaks appear to be well controlled and not an issue. Remember total leak includes the mask's expected vent rate so total leak will never be 0.0 with your machine.

snores..44...that's all night I suspect and would need to see the graphs to know whether to be worried about them or not.
Like are they happening in clusters or spread out over the night?
Snores usually mean that the pressure is not quite optimally set and is allowing just enough airway tissue to collapse to allow the tissues to vibrate which is what a snore is...floppy airway tissue vibrating...
(assuming you don't have a dog that snores that the machine picks up on I have a Pug dog and my machine has picked up his snores when he is up on my pillow by my head)

Sometimes snores happen worse when supine sleeping as opposed to side sleeping...and sometimes snores are a bit worse in REM stage sleep...both are commonly known to sometimes affect pressure needs.

It isn't something that you need to stress out over at the moment though unless the AHI is also elevated.
Don't have to fix everything all at once.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:25 pm

Thanks very much, Pugsy. Can't get the screen shot feature to work on my new laptop.....as soon as I can, I'll post a shot. I do indeed have two dogs that sleep with us...and they've both been known to snore from time to time - one was right next to my head last night, LOL. I don't think she was the culprit, but I'll make a note of where she is from now on.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:53 pm

Ok, trying to get this img on here.....
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I just copied the snores/leaks section of the page - I still have to figure out how to get the whole shebang in a snip. Thanks again for looking - it looks like the snores happened in clusters.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:09 pm

For Snores I like the events graph from the PR S1 machine...that's the top graph on the right.
Examples here in this thread.
What operating system is on your computer? Windows Snip It tool is super easy but not available on systems older than Vista.
Screen shot thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=81072&p=737779#p737779

Not sure how you got that leak graph to show up with so much detail unless you expanded it to show each L/min line...it isn't needed. Large leak territory for your machine is up around 80 to 90 L/min...you never come close so there is no real need to see the leak in such detail.

And yes...dog snores can sometimes show up on the reports. I was having some 2 hour long solid snore lines sometimes and nothing other times but nothing else to go along with the snores and kept wondering what the heck was going on and one night I realized that Sarge (little Pug) sometimes slept up on the bed pillow with his little chin resting on top of my shoulder/neck area....he didn't do it all the time...but I finally realized it when one night I was laying there and listening to him and feeling the vibrations and the next morning...big snores showed up at the beginning of the night.

I don't know about cats purring though...

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:13 pm

Thanks Pugsy, I have windows 8 and it has a snipping tool, which I'm just learning to use. I took another snip and I hope this is what you were talking about with the events
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When I'm in Sleepyhead, the screen is in three sections - a small left hand navigation area with information, pie chart etc. The middle section has all the graphs and to see them all I have to scroll down the page. a small navigation pane is on the right, which basically just gives the same options as the menu bar up top.

And no chance of catching cat purrs here, but those little dogs are snuggled up to me most of the night and one of them routinely comes up to my pillow - I'll have to keep an eye on her!

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:26 pm

You don't need the AHI graph on the right. The left side AHI index is more important (though I don't need it right now)
You can turn off the AHI graph on the right side by going to Preferences/graphs tab and remove the check mark.
It's redundant information anyway. The event category breakdown on the left side of SH is more informative anyway.

Your snores appear in little clusters with a couple of large clusters. Might be supine sleeping...might be REM stage sleep or maybe a little of both. Meaning that during those time you need just a little bit more pressure to prevent the slight collapse of the airway that snores is usually a warning sign of.
This is of course assuming no dog snores but it doesn't look like what I would expect with dog snores. It's too intermittent but just watch it and the dog to see if the dog might be a factor.
Otherwise, I don't know that the snores are enough to do anything about...as in worry or try to reduce them.
If you see this pattern often and/or your sleep quality is not as good as you would like then you might want to think about seeing if reducing the clusters will help. It wouldn't hurt but there is no urgent need to go dial a wingin at the moment I don't think.

Can you not enlarge SleepyHead to full size? Sounds like it is minimized.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:47 pm

Pugsy wrote:You don't need the AHI graph on the right. The left side AHI index is more important (though I don't need it right now)
You can turn off the AHI graph on the right side by going to Preferences/graphs tab and remove the check mark.
It's redundant information anyway. The event category breakdown on the left side of SH is more informative anyway.

Your snores appear in little clusters with a couple of large clusters. Might be supine sleeping...might be REM stage sleep or maybe a little of both. Meaning that during those time you need just a little bit more pressure to prevent the slight collapse of the airway that snores is usually a warning sign of.
This is of course assuming no dog snores but it doesn't look like what I would expect with dog snores. It's too intermittent but just watch it and the dog to see if the dog might be a factor.
Otherwise, I don't know that the snores are enough to do anything about...as in worry or try to reduce them.
If you see this pattern often and/or your sleep quality is not as good as you would like then you might want to think about seeing if reducing the clusters will help. It wouldn't hurt but there is no urgent need to go dial a wingin at the moment I don't think.

Can you not enlarge SleepyHead to full size? Sounds like it is minimized.
I'm afraid I'm going to go ahead and sound stupid here.....I only see the graphs across the screen - I don't understand what you mean by right side vs. left side, but I'm sure I'll figure it out after I have typed this and posted it.....and appeared stupid

And I thought I had it full size....again.....with the sounding stupid - I'll figure this sucker out soon, I promise.

Thank you for taking the time, Pugsy. I can't tell you how comforting it is to have someone so experienced tell me that I don't need to go "dial a wingin" and things look ok. New to CPAP but getting accustomed to it, and I'm sure in time, I'll learn how to read my graphs and information so I can be knowledgeable about my therapy.

My husband has said he's heard me snoring every so slightly, but not often. So I know, he would be the biggest alarm I could possibly have in terms of knowing if the snoring has become worse. I'm still in the early stages of not even knowing how bad I felt for so long - if you asked me, I always "woke" up pretty alert and raring to go....until now, when I wake up with the alarm, instead of before it and now wish I could snuggle in some more for that good sleep I had all night - something I guess I was missing for so long, I didn't even realize how long it's been. I'm so soundly asleep now, that it's actually a little harder to get up in the morning. I guess when you spend most of the night not sleeping, you never get into that really deep sleep you need, and therefore you don't have to wake up from that.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:53 pm

Do you not get an image like this when you do SleepyHead daily detail?
On the left side AHI event categories in different colored bars...calendar and statistics below that side of the report?

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:15 am

Yepper I do. Figured out what you meant right after my post - as predicted. Originally I thought you were talking about sides of the graphs and I couldn't see a way to separate them. LOL. Thanks for the patience!

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:58 am

Good. I was afraid something weird was going on with SH.
We have a few people who can't get the daily graphs...they get the left side AHI stuff just fine but no graphs.

Don't try to absorb everything all at once. You will likely get system overload.
Concentrate on coming to grips with the basic stuff first...AHI and the category breakdowns and what they mean and leak data.
Without acceptable leaks we can't trust the AHI data.
That's really all I ever look at 99% of the time. I glance at leak line...and I glance at AHI...if those are good I don't go further very often because it simply isn't needed.

Snores...if they persist in large numbers usually means a tiny pressure adjustment if everything else is looking good.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:36 pm

Pugsy wrote:Good. I was afraid something weird was going on with SH.
We have a few people who can't get the daily graphs...they get the left side AHI stuff just fine but no graphs.

Don't try to absorb everything all at once. You will likely get system overload.
Concentrate on coming to grips with the basic stuff first...AHI and the category breakdowns and what they mean and leak data.
Without acceptable leaks we can't trust the AHI data.
That's really all I ever look at 99% of the time. I glance at leak line...and I glance at AHI...if those are good I don't go further very often because it simply isn't needed.

Snores...if they persist in large numbers usually means a tiny pressure adjustment if everything else is looking good.
Nope I can see that side. I just looked through all the days this morning - some days there were higher number of snores - like 125? But most days the number was lower. I'm trying to take it slow - the AHI is low, so as you said, if that looks good, then I'll be happy with it. I'll keep an eye on that and the leaks as you suggest. I'm trying to learn how to interpret the information, but it will take time for me to absorb it all and I do not want to overwhelm myself. Thanks again!

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Pugsy » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:03 pm

If the snore numbers stay high or you see large big clusters of snores or you wake yourself up with a snore (I hate it when I do that) then you may benefit from a little more pressure.
It's not something that you just have to understand or do right this moment though. It's not anything urgent like a double digit AHI might be.

The one events graph you posted above with the couple of little snore clusters...if it rarely got any worse than that I don't know that I would do anything about them unless I was having problems and not feeling so great.
We all have ugly nights every now and then...it just comes with the territory.
I would need to see more nights of detailed data to decide for sure if the snores were a potential issue or not.

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Re: First Sleepyhead Stats

Post by Scootergirl » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:11 pm

Pugsy wrote:If the snore numbers stay high or you see large big clusters of snores or you wake yourself up with a snore (I hate it when I do that) then you may benefit from a little more pressure.
It's not something that you just have to understand or do right this moment though. It's not anything urgent like a double digit AHI might be.

The one events graph you posted above with the couple of little snore clusters...if it rarely got any worse than that I don't know that I would do anything about them unless I was having problems and not feeling so great.
We all have ugly nights every now and then...it just comes with the territory.
I would need to see more nights of detailed data to decide for sure if the snores were a potential issue or not.
Thanks Pugsy - I think in the time I've had this machine - since the 1st of this month - I might have had two nights, but the AHI was still low - I will watch it. I feel pretty darn good, too. I would say since I'm still getting used to sleeping with all this equipment on me, and still fidgeting with it every time I change position, that waiting to do anything like you said, is best. I haven't even done a month on CPAP yet. I would love to show you my data at some point, but don't have any idea how to get that all over to you. I feel comfortable with all the support and advice I've gotten from you, and really don't feel the need to do anything more than keep an eye on my numbers and see how I settle in. Allergy season is starting up, too and I know I'll probably have some issues with that. It's really good to be able to see my data, and very comforting to know that I can come here for help.

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