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By Michael Smith, North American Correspondent, MedPage Today
Published: January 05, 2009
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TORONTO, Jan. 5 -- In patients with heart failure and central sleep apnea, arousals may cause the sleep disorder rather than defending against it, researchers here said. Action Points
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In obstructive sleep apnea, arousals from sleep are seen as a defense mechanism to re-start breathing; their frequency typically declines when the apnea is treated, according to Douglas Bradley, M.D., of the University of Toronto, and colleagues.
But in a large randomized trial of patients with heart failure, treating central sleep apnea with continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) had no effect on arousals, although the number of apneas and hypopneas fell significantly, Dr. Bradley and colleagues reported in the Jan. 1 issue of Sleep.
And, unlike in obstructive apnea, there was no effect on sleep structure, the researchers said.
The results of the multicenter Canadian Continuous Positive Airway Pressure for Patients with Central Sleep Apnea and Heart Failure trial suggest that "unlike [in obstructive sleep apnea], arousals from sleep in [central sleep apnea] are not protective, but probably have the opposite effect: they appear to be causative," Dr. Bradley said in a statement.
"Future studies should explore preventing arousals from sleep in order to treat [central sleep apnea]," he added.
The researchers noted that in obstructive sleep apnea, the arousal ends the apnea, but in central sleep apnea, the arousal often comes several breaths after the incident has ended.
Their study randomized 258 patients with central sleep apnea, class II to IV heart failure, and a left ventricular ejection fraction of the less than 40% to either optimal heart failure therapy with CPAP or optimal therapy alone.
The primary endpoint was the combined rate of all-cause mortality and heart transplant.
The researchers reported in 2005 that CPAP brought no survival benefit, although the intervention attenuated the central sleep apnea, improved nocturnal oxygenation, increased ejection fraction, lowered norepinephrine levels, and increased the distance walked in six minutes.
The current analysis looked more closely at the central sleep apnea, which is a failure of respiratory control. In contrast, in obstructive sleep apnea, control of respiration is not affected, but the patient struggles against a physical blockage.
The researchers looked at differences from baseline in sleep apnea, sleep structure, and arousals at a polysomnographic examination three months into the study.
The early comparison was chosen, the researchers said, to include the largest possible number of participants -- 205 -- but results were similar when they looked at the 71 patients still in the study at two years.
Analysis showed:
In the control groups, there was no change in the apnea-hypopnea index or the frequency of arousals.
In volunteers who got CPAP, the overall apnea-hypopnea index (including both central and obstructive events) fell from an average of 38.9 incidents an hour to 17.6, a change that was significant at P<0.001.
Apneas and hypopneas regarded as central in nature fell 55%, from 35.4 an hour to 16.1, which was also significant at P<0.001.
Arousals remained high -- 28.8 arousals per hour at baseline compared with 24.3 on CPAP.
There was no significant effect on any aspect of sleep structure, including such variables as time in bed, total sleep time, sleep efficiency, or time spent in any of the stages of sleep, the researchers found.
Taken together with results from other, smaller studies, the results suggest arousals in heart failure patients with central sleep apnea are "not entirely a consequence of central apneas and hypopneas," the researchers said.
Instead, "such arousals may be incidental to, or play a causative or aggravating role" in the pathogenesis of the condition, they said.
The study was supported by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research (CIHR), Respironics Inc., ResMed Inc., and Tyco Healthcare Inc.
Various researchers were supported by awards or fellowships from Mahidol University in Bangkok, the Toronto Rehabilitation Institute, the Fonds de la Recherche en Santé du Québec, and the Heart and Stroke Foundation of Ontario.
Aside from the industry support -- a requirement of grant support from the CIHR -- the researchers reported no conflicts.
Arousals from Sleep Possible Cause of Apnea in Some Patients
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I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related
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Re: Arousals from Sleep Possible Cause of Apnea in Some Patients
This was apparently a study using only people with heart failure and the central apneas that are part and parcel of the Cheyne-Stokes respiration that so many Congestive Heart Failure people exhibit.
in a large randomized trial of patients with heart failure, treating central sleep apnea with continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) had no effect on arousals, although the number of apneas and hypopneas fell significantly, Dr. Bradley and colleagues reported in the Jan. 1 issue of Sleep.
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Their study randomized 258 patients with central sleep apnea, class II to IV heart failure, and a left ventricular ejection fraction of the less than 40% to either optimal heart failure therapy with CPAP or optimal therapy alone. (bold emphasis added by me)
If by "CPAP" the researchers meant they used plain CPAP machines in the study, I wouldn't call that kind of machine "optimal heart failure therapy with CPAP." Optimal "CPAP therapy" for heart failure patients with central sleep apneas resulting from Cheyne-Stokes respiration, would call for using Adaptive Servo Ventilator machines, such as the ResMed VPAP ASV or the Respironics BiPAP Auto SV, imho.
"Future studies should explore preventing arousals from sleep in order to treat [central sleep apnea]," he added.
Well, I don't know about the chicken and egg part of their "arousals" conclusion, but I think what the future studies about central sleep apnea should be exploring (other studies have already been doing this) is optimizing "CPAP" treatment for heart failure patients and others with Central Sleep Apnea by using the currently available ASV machines. Not plain CPAP machines.
in a large randomized trial of patients with heart failure, treating central sleep apnea with continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) had no effect on arousals, although the number of apneas and hypopneas fell significantly, Dr. Bradley and colleagues reported in the Jan. 1 issue of Sleep.
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Their study randomized 258 patients with central sleep apnea, class II to IV heart failure, and a left ventricular ejection fraction of the less than 40% to either optimal heart failure therapy with CPAP or optimal therapy alone. (bold emphasis added by me)
If by "CPAP" the researchers meant they used plain CPAP machines in the study, I wouldn't call that kind of machine "optimal heart failure therapy with CPAP." Optimal "CPAP therapy" for heart failure patients with central sleep apneas resulting from Cheyne-Stokes respiration, would call for using Adaptive Servo Ventilator machines, such as the ResMed VPAP ASV or the Respironics BiPAP Auto SV, imho.
"Future studies should explore preventing arousals from sleep in order to treat [central sleep apnea]," he added.
Well, I don't know about the chicken and egg part of their "arousals" conclusion, but I think what the future studies about central sleep apnea should be exploring (other studies have already been doing this) is optimizing "CPAP" treatment for heart failure patients and others with Central Sleep Apnea by using the currently available ASV machines. Not plain CPAP machines.
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Gee, if they keep going with this kind of study, maybe they'll outlaw CPAP therapy and we can all toss our masks in the can! Free at last!
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Re: Arousals from Sleep Possible Cause of Apnea in Some Patients
My daughter (23 years old) has terrible nights sleep and has all the waking hallmarks of apnea. She had a sleep study and was diagnosted with alpha wave intrusion, which wakes her up many times durnig thr night. So if she actually had both AWI and OSA, the cpap would fix the OSA, but she would still be waking up.
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Thanks RG. I wonder if the doctors in this study are just letting the cpap volunteers go home with average AHI of 17.6 without telling them this is too high for a decent quality of like. I hope the researchers are telling participants there are better options to improve their health and quality of life.rested gal wrote:....... I think what the future studies about central sleep apnea should be exploring (other studies have already been doing this) is optimizing "CPAP" treatment for heart failure patients and others with Central Sleep Apnea by using the currently available ASV machines. Not plain CPAP machines.
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I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related
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It's a pity that the volunteers aren't having their apneas treated properly. The treated rate they're being sent home with is the untreated non-REM rate I was diagnosed with.
My mother has congestive heart failure, and every time I talk to her, she talks about waking up with her heart pounding, and she's gasping for air. But her doctor doesn't think she might have a problem. After all, she's 86... you have to expect these things with her condition....
I want to tear my hair out, screaming "She might not HAVE CHF if you idiots had tested her for apnea 30 years ago...."
My mother has congestive heart failure, and every time I talk to her, she talks about waking up with her heart pounding, and she's gasping for air. But her doctor doesn't think she might have a problem. After all, she's 86... you have to expect these things with her condition....
I want to tear my hair out, screaming "She might not HAVE CHF if you idiots had tested her for apnea 30 years ago...."
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K,
My mother is 86 and with her it is vascular dementia. The last I slept in the same house with her was about 30 years ago. She was across the hall with her bedroom door shut and my door was shut and I could hear her snoring loudly.
I am convinced she had sleep apnea all those years and we were ignorant of it until three years ago when I was diagnosed. Unfortunately her dementia was already present when we began to suspect sleep apnea. I have discussed treatment with my family and doctor, but we are all sure she would not understand and tolerate cpap or an oral appliance due to the dementia.
All we can do now is encourage her to sleep on her side. She has so far done very well for a dementia patient and is very pleasant and sociable. But yes, in the future we need to get people diagnosed and treated at an early age.
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My mother is 86 and with her it is vascular dementia. The last I slept in the same house with her was about 30 years ago. She was across the hall with her bedroom door shut and my door was shut and I could hear her snoring loudly.
I am convinced she had sleep apnea all those years and we were ignorant of it until three years ago when I was diagnosed. Unfortunately her dementia was already present when we began to suspect sleep apnea. I have discussed treatment with my family and doctor, but we are all sure she would not understand and tolerate cpap or an oral appliance due to the dementia.
All we can do now is encourage her to sleep on her side. She has so far done very well for a dementia patient and is very pleasant and sociable. But yes, in the future we need to get people diagnosed and treated at an early age.
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I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related
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Amen to getting people diagnosed early!!
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Re: Arousals from Sleep Possible Cause of Apnea in Some Patients
Actually, I think the findings are reasonable in their conclusions. My husband has heart failure category 2, and if I get their study correctly, I suspect that what they are saying is that if they can control the arousals, the remaining AHI will also drop. I know my husband has huge problems with arousals at night, and not all of them are related to him having an apnea event. In congestive heart failure patients, I think the problem runs deeper than those of us with apnea alone. It bears watching.
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Debjax,
After your comments I did a second read of the summary and agree with you. If it is the case that arousals trigger apneas then we are dealing with something I never saw discussed in the forum. I temper my comments.
Thanks,
After your comments I did a second read of the summary and agree with you. If it is the case that arousals trigger apneas then we are dealing with something I never saw discussed in the forum. I temper my comments.
Thanks,
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I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related
I have a vision that we will figure out an easy way to ensure that children develop wide, deep, healthy and attractive jaws and then obstructive sleep apnea becomes an obscure bit of history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ycw4uaX ... re=related
Re: Arousals from Sleep Possible Cause of Apnea in Some Patients
Heck, it looks like something the docs didn't know before either...the more they learn though, the better we all get on the other side..rooster wrote:Debjax,
After your comments I did a second read of the summary and agree with you. If it is the case that arousals trigger apneas then we are dealing with something I never saw discussed in the forum. I temper my comments.
Thanks,
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