My numbers are "speaking" to me!

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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Bluebonnet_Gal
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My numbers are "speaking" to me!

Post by Bluebonnet_Gal » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:19 am

My Doc didn't indicate a pressure range on the prescription for my A-PAP, so the DME set it from 6 - 20. I've been gradually raising the minimum pressure and watching my numbers. My sleep study indicated a titrated pressure of 14. I've learned that a minimum pressure of 6 is quite low for a titration of 14. I haven't noticed any significant change in my numbers as I've gone from 6 to 8, to 9, then to 10. Last night I increased the pressure to 11. My 95th Percentile Pressure jumped from a range of 13 to 13.8 up to 16.6! My Maximum pressure jumped from a range of 14 to 16 up to 19! My AHI isn't changed much at 4.9 (it's generally hovering near 5), but I only had one apnea event last night. With the exception of one really good night where I had only 2 apnea events, all other nights I've had a minimum of 3 events, with 4 and 5 events not being uncommon and even had one night with 6 apnea events. I think getting my minimum pressure up closer to my titrated pressure is helping the machine better respond to my events.

Should I raise it to 12 tonight or leave it at 11 for a few nights to see how it goes? I'm feeling so much better since starting A-PAP, but I'm ready to feel great! I know it takes time to repay a sleep debt, but I think that eliminating the apnea events completely and reducing the hypopnea events will go a long way to helping me feel great. My AHI is still only borderline acceptable at 4.9.

Yesterday I went to the DME to see about a full face mask. My 95th percentile leak rate had been normally in the teens, but sometimes in the 20s. Last night it was 15.6. I think I may be leaking from the mouth a little, but not sure. He recommended I try a chin strap before I try a FFM because it's hard to get a good fit with the FFM. I tried the chin strap last night and it's a joke! It's difficult to keep in place and even when in place, the resistance received from it is so minimal, I don't see how it can help. I think it was just a way to put more $ in the DME's pocket!

I don't go back to the Doc for at least another 2 weeks (he initially said to see him after 4 weeks on A-PAP, then said to make it 6 weeks). I'm leaning more toward 4 weeks as I would like his thoughts and input.

Does anyone have any advice or comments to offer on my AHI, pressure and/or leak rate?

My latest report can be viewed here:

http://www.box.net/shared/671mdhz01b

Gail

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Re: My numbers are "speaking" to me!

Post by Wulfman » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:59 am

Did you ever try a fixed pressure of 14?
I always recommend that people at least TRY their titrated pressure before trying Auto ranges, etc.

Also, you KNOW that the ResMed Autos will not pursue an apnea (NOT preceded by a snore or a flow limitation) above the pressure of 10.....don't you? That's the "safety feature" that ResMed built into their algorithm to prevent the machines from chasing or creating Central Apneas or pressure-induced apneas.

Also, due to the way ResMed machines count Flow Limitations (partial hypopneas), having an AHI below 5.0 is "very good".


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Re: My numbers are "speaking" to me!

Post by lking » Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:16 am

You could try a different chinstrap. I, too, had a problem with a slipping chinstrap when I first started xpap 15 months ago. After trying 3 different chinstraps I found the Tiara Ruby. Bingo, it worked like magic...and no slippage! I've been using a Ruby ever since...14 months now. If you want a Ruby be sure to located the measuring chart that's found on several of the online vendors websites. The Ruby is true to size!
OSA Sleep Test 8/29/07, AHI 64, Sat. 74%
Titrated 10/1/07, Pressure 13
Re-titrated 9/29/08, Pressure 15/10
BiPAP set at 15/10
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Re: My numbers are "speaking" to me!

Post by turbosnore » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:48 am

First, I'm not any kind of expert on this, but I guess people here seem to suggest, that a rule of thumb
to start with APAP is to set the low pressure about 1 cm below the titrated pressure and the high pressure
about 2 cm above the titrated pressure and continue from there.

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Re: My numbers are "speaking" to me!

Post by Bluebonnet_Gal » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:15 am

Thanks for the input guys!

I may try the Tiara Ruby. It looks like it would stay in place better.

No, I haven't tried straight CPAP at 14. I may try that real soon.

I decided to try a second night with a min pressure of 11. I slept well and didn't wakt until around 4:00 am. At that time my chin strap was completely off my chin. This morning I see my leak rate was basically a flat line at 0 (I understand my Resmed automatically adjusts for the intentional leak rate) until the one apnea event I had during the night which was right before 4:00 am and after which my leak rate is all over the place. Perhaps the chin strap stayed in place until an apnea interrupted my sleep.

I also notice my Median pressure for the night is 14.2 and my 95th Percentile pressure is 18.2. I'm thinking of raising my minimum pressure to 13. I would like to completely eliminate apnea events. After all, isn't that the purpose of CPAP? It's also looking like my titration pressure of 14 may be a bit low. It was reached during a split night study, so perhaps after a few more hours of sleep, I actually need a higher pressure?