Water in hose

Barbee · Post by **Barbee** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:07 am

Every since I have turned the A/C on (4 days ago) I am being woke up by water in my hose. I had the hose @ 77 degrees. Should I turn it down lower or turn it off or what? I’m waking up mean as a snake and tired all day. Thanks.

esel · Post by **esel** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:44 am

Oh boy, I would not touch that hose too long. It sure would kill a lot of germs... You are a genius, SoClean may sue you

Well try to reduce that number, at least until no rain out forms in your mask.

dreamingofdreaming · Post by **dreamingofdreaming** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:08 am

I had that over the winter. I have a heated hose and purchased a hose cover for it. That stopped the water. Make sure your machine is lower than your bed. I also have my hose resting on a pillow that is standing up against my headboard. Pugsy has a whole post dedicated to rainout. It was very helpful for me. I believe it's in the posts at the top on the forum page.

Barbee · Post by **Barbee** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:44 am

dreamingofdreaming wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:08 am
I had that over the winter. I have a heated hose and purchased a hose cover for it. That stopped the water. Make sure your machine is lower than your bed. I also have my hose resting on a pillow that is standing up against my headboard. Pugsy has a whole post dedicated to rainout. It was very helpful for me. I believe it's in the posts at the top on the forum page.

Thank you. I will look for the thread

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:00 am

Here's the thread with rain out stuff...posts #2 and 3
viewtopic/t94035/Pugsys-Pointers-3Deali ... -road.html

You need to turn the heat up on the heated hose if you want to avoid the condensation.
Turing the hose air temp down is going to make the condensation even worse.
As explained in the thread...you have several options but for me when turning up the hose air temp is available it's the simplest option.
Sometimes as little as one degree will be enough...sometimes need more.

Barbee · Post by **Barbee** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:34 am

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:00 am
Here's the thread with rain out stuff...posts #2 and 3
viewtopic/t94035/Pugsys-Pointers-3Deali ... -road.html

You need to turn the heat up on the heated hose if you want to avoid the condensation.
Turing the hose air temp down is going to make the condensation even worse.
As explained in the thread...you have several options but for me when turning up the hose air temp is available it's the simplest option.
Sometimes as little as one degree will be enough...sometimes need more.

Thanks so much! Yes my brain kept saying cooler air + warm hose = rain out. So I kept lowering the hose heat. When I took my hose off this morning to drain I noticed the mask was full of condensation. I’m sure this will fix things.
Cannot believe how loud the popping and cracking gets.

Pugsy · Post by **Pugsy** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:50 am

Barbee wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:34 am
Cannot believe how loud the popping and cracking gets.

It's amazing how much racket just a little bit of water will make. Will even wake my husband.

And that takes a lot.

Reducing the hose air temp doesn't reduce the amount of moisture in the air...just reduces the air's ability to hold onto whatever moisture is in the air.
You would have to make a change in the humidifier setting itself to reduce the moisture it is cranking out.
I discovered my nose doesn't like for me to mess with the moisture in the air so I don't change the humidifier setting at all. I want consistent delivered of that moisture and I only change the hose air temp for comfort or rain out prevention.
I like warmer air in the winter when the house is cooler and cooler air in the summer.
I might use 66 degrees in the summer and still not get rain out but that's because the ambient bedroom temp is much warmer than in the winter.

It's the ambient bedroom temp that starts the whole process and what we have to work from. You turned the A/C on and lowered the ambient bedroom temp and the hose air temp couldn't keep the air warm enough at the current setting. Lowering the hose air temp didn't lower the humidity in the hose but it sure made the conditions for rain out ripe because the ambient temp was also working to lower the hose air temp.

It's just easier to increase the hose air temp...and if for some reason that option isn't the best then we have other options.

Barbee · Post by **Barbee** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:56 am

Pugsy wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:50 am

Barbee wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:34 am
Cannot believe how loud the popping and cracking gets.
It's amazing how much racket just a little bit of water will make. Will even wake my husband. And that takes a lot.

Reducing the hose air temp doesn't reduce the amount of moisture in the air...just reduces the air's ability to hold onto whatever moisture is in the air.
You would have to make a change in the humidifier setting itself to reduce the moisture it is cranking out.
I discovered my nose doesn't like for me to mess with the moisture in the air so I don't change the humidifier setting at all. I want consistent delivered of that moisture and I only change the hose air temp for comfort or rain out prevention.
I like warmer air in the winter when the house is cooler and cooler air in the summer.
I might use 66 degrees in the summer and still not get rain out but that's because the ambient bedroom temp is much warmer than in the winter.

It's the ambient bedroom temp that starts the whole process and what we have to work from. You turned the A/C on and lowered the ambient bedroom temp and the hose air temp couldn't keep the air warm enough at the current setting. Lowering the hose air temp didn't lower the humidity in the hose but it sure made the conditions for rain out ripe because the ambient temp was also working to lower the hose air temp.

It's just easier to increase the hose air temp...and if for some reason that option isn't the best then we have other options.

I like the humidity Im getting right now. No dry mouth and I sleep very well. I am going to try raising the hose temp first and see if I can stand the increased temp. of air in my mask. If not, I will no doubt be back and whining about it. I will keep you posted

dreamingofdreaming · Post by **dreamingofdreaming** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:03 am

No joke, I had it coming into my mask and woke up with water spraying out of the vent in my mask. I jumped out of bed screaming.

SewTired · Post by **SewTired** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:47 am

I also find that snaking the hose under the blankets helped. I have the rainout problem right now, but it ends in another couple of weeks - just trying to nurse along my broken heated hose because I'm cheap.

palerider · Post by **palerider** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:54 pm

Barbee wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:34 am
Thanks so much! Yes my brain kept saying cooler air + warm hose = rain out. So I kept lowering the hose heat. When I took my hose off this morning to drain I noticed the mask was full of condensation. I’m sure this will fix things.
Cannot believe how loud the popping and cracking gets.

rainout is condensation, condensation happens when warm, moist air encounters a cool surface, cooler air can't hold as much water as warmer air, so when the warm moist air hit s a cool surface, it cools, and loses some of it's moisture.

Just like a cold can taken out of the fridge condenses water on it's surface, while a can that's been sitting on the counter doesn't.

Warm the hose to reduce condensation.

(in case anybody didn't click through to Pugsy's thread.)

mesenteria · Post by **mesenteria** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:38 pm

As the moisture-laden air enters the hose, it will adjust its temperature to the heat setting in the hose. That part of the air that encounters the walls will be most affected. If the hose is cool, the air will cool, and its ability to retain moisture gets compromised the more it cools. The warmer the air, the more moisture it can retain.

To minimize the condensate in the tubing and mask, reduce the air's water uptake (reduce water surface area, reduce air temperature over the water, reduce amount of air exposed to that surface, or reduce water temperature), or increase/maintain the air's temperature at a given moisture setting by not letting the air temperature fall anywhere along its path.

Remember that you may find the humidity unnecessary to begin with. A trial without the humidifier active may be illuminating.

Barbee · Post by **Barbee** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:17 am

Last night I set the hose to 80. No condensation and I slept like a rock! Tonight I will back it down a degree and see how it goes. Thanks all!

D.H. · Post by **D.H.** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:17 pm

Barbee wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:17 am
Last night I set the hose to 80. No condensation and I slept like a rock! Tonight I will back it down a degree and see how it goes. Thanks all!

That's what I was going to suggest, but I go beat to it. You needed to raise the hose temperature and/or lower the humidifier temperature. As was also suggested, the unit should be lower than your head.

Water in hose

Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Re: Water in hose

Machine	Mask

Additional Comments: Auto PAP; 13.5 cmH2O min - 20 cmH2O max