SoClean?

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Re: SoClean?

Post by Lucyhere » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:27 pm

hobbs wrote:
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I just never get tired of this!
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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:07 pm

palerider wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:35 pm
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Manufacturers do not recommend hosing it off in the driveway, soaking it in a radioactive solution, sandpapering it off with heavy grit paper, using a metal brush and power drill, sprinkling it with holy water, having your pets lick it clean, or using SoClean.
How about mommy spit, mommy spit fixes everything... doesn't it?

Aside, can I use holy water in place of distilled?
Funny you should mention that. Feel free to PM me for a bottle of mommy spit. It's only $49.99 an ounce, paypal, free shipping. Works great for cleaning the tips of nasal pillows and just behind your ears where your mask straps touch your head.

Act now, and I'll even throw in a free sample of some interdenominational genuine-imitation "holy" water. Works great with most brands of CPAP humidifier. It isn't yet endorsed by any manufacturers or religions, but my cousin, Leroy, did a sort of study of it out behind his garage using some generic toilet paper he found and a lighted magnifying glass. I can send you a copy of his, um, paperwork on that study, if you want.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by BobZ » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:17 am

I used mine for 6 months. Quit for 2 reasons: First I couldn’t stand the smell, ozone if that’s what it is/was. I followed all the recs to decrease it. Preclean parts, choose different cleaning times, some say longer, others say shorter. “Dry ran” the CPAP for a couple minutes mid day to get to air out. Didn’t really help. One suggestion that a DME Supplier gave me was to completely empty the water reservoir before running the SoCkean. Didn’t try that. Second issue is that it discolored my face cushions, turned them a sickly yellow, Res Med Mirages. There is silicone in them. I called SiCkean CS and they oh yeah, no biggie, however see not a word about this in any of their literature. My bottom line is that my COAP equip felt DIRTIER using the Si Ckean than without using minimal Maint. My DME says there is a new cleaner coming out that uses UV light. I might give that a try, but my bot line with SoCkean is that it wasn’t a solution for me.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by palerider » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:29 am

BobZ wrote:
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My DME says there is a new cleaner coming out that uses UV light. I might give that a try,
If that's what your DME actually said, they're either an idiot, or a liar. (or both). (regrettably not uncommon)

UV can never clean anything... but it will kill germs on anything that it shines on... which means the surface of your mask... not the inside part where any grodyness might be. plus, it's probably not good for plastics and silicone that aren't designed to be UV resistant.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:50 am

I hear ya, PR. But everyday language doesn't really differentiate much between "cleaning" and "sanitizing" and "disinfecting" and 'germ-killin'.'
"Lumin CPAP Mask and Accessories Cleaner."--https://www.cpap.com/productpage/3B-med ... tizer.html
Underlining and bold added by me.

So if cpap.com is willing to let the loose terminology slide on its sales site, we all might be able to find a way to let it slide a bit here, too, maybe? I mean, I get that the medical distinction is useful (cpap.com makes the distinction in its comments), but we all mostly just regular peeps here, right? :wink:

Please note that this post is NOT an attempt to defend the wording of any brick-and-mortar DMEs. Most of them just make me glad I don't have any bricks or mortars handy. :shock:
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Re: SoClean?

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:59 am

I use a UV dryer box for my hearing aid.
I find it logical because wet washing is not recommended for hearing aids.
Even if it did nothing, for $40, it is a safe place to keep my $1300 aid safe
in case the cat comes into the bedroom. :shock:
Since water can go anywhere I NEED to clean in my cpap setup, I pass . . .

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Re: SoClean?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:00 pm

So if cpap.com is willing to let the loose terminology slide on its sales site
It's likely the terminology has nothing to do with cpap.com. The sales blurbs are often downloaded from files produced by the manufacturer ( http://3bproducts.com/?news=3b-medical- ... sk-cleaner ). In other cases, the blurbs may be keyed in following a script from the manufacturer. Distributors are often hesitant to change a manufacturer's wording because of fear of liability issues. In many cases, the manufacturer has an agreement with the distributor that does not allow for renaming a product or using advertising that is not approved by the manufacturer.

The manufacturer of Lumin is consistently calling it a "cleaner" - http://3bproducts.com/?cleaner=1537

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:26 pm

My point is what they allow, not what copy they write themselves. Same with us.

Inexactitude does not always equal idiocy or lying. At least I hope it doesn't. By that definition, we are all lying idiots.

But don't mind me. I'm just adding unsanitized fodder to Pugsy's excuse for making popcorn. :lol: :P :wink:
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Re: SoClean?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:39 pm

jnk... wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:26 pm
Inexactitude does not always equal idiocy or lying.
PR did come on a teensy, weensy bit strong, but we should make the distinction between sanitizing and cleaning in our posts. I have no expectations that DMEs are able to make this distinction.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by palerider » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:04 pm

jnk... wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:50 am
I hear ya, PR. But everyday language doesn't really differentiate much between "cleaning" and "sanitizing" and "disinfecting" and 'germ-killin'.'
"Lumin CPAP Mask and Accessories Cleaner."--https://www.cpap.com/productpage/3B-med ... tizer.html
Yeah, that's a fail by cpap.com... in the paragraph further down they do use the right name though: "The Lumin CPAP Mask and Accessories UV Sanitizer "
jnk... wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:50 am
So if cpap.com is willing to let the loose terminology slide on its sales site, we all might be able to find a way to let it slide a bit here, too, maybe? I mean, I get that the medical distinction is useful (cpap.com makes the distinction in its comments), but we all mostly just regular peeps here, right? :wink:
It's my opinion, for what little that's worth, that it is worthwhile to make the distinction... so that BobZ and others like him don't end up buying another "cleaner" that doesn't actually clean squat.

If they want something to sanitize the outside of their mask... sure, let 'em buy it, knowing what it's actually going to do.

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Re: SoClean?

Post by palerider » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:08 pm

jnk... wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:26 pm
Inexactitude does not always equal idiocy or lying. At least I hope it doesn't. By that definition, we are all lying idiots.
:side eye: Are you defending the average DME? Isn't the general view to quadruple check anything they tell you? :D

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Re: SoClean?

Post by BobZ » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:13 pm

Interesting comments all. I just find it ironic tot me that I buy a product to solve a problem I really don’t have and end up with a problem I was trying to avoid. Stupid me I suppose, but then if it works for others good for them!

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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:25 pm

I agree 100%. In fact, one of the values of this site for me is being able to learn from the careful wording of experienced posters here, such as PR and CG, especially when it comes to technical matters. And I think it is good for us to help one another keep our wording exact.

My only point was my preference not to hold less-experienced posters to the same standard we may hold for ourselves or one another. I think that when less-experienced posters say inexact things that could be misleading, its a good time to treasure and be thankful for the opportunity to restate accurate information, as gently as we can with as much dignity as we can muster--although I have been known to fail regularly at that lofty goal. In my opinion, effective correction of sloppy wording requires avoiding anything that could sound like name-calling.

But hey, I get the emotion of it all. This stuff matters.

Thanks for allowing me to express my opinion on that and for allowing me another excuse to bump a SoClean thread. :twisted:
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Re: SoClean?

Post by jnk... » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:27 pm

palerider wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:08 pm
jnk... wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:26 pm
Inexactitude does not always equal idiocy or lying. At least I hope it doesn't. By that definition, we are all lying idiots.
:side eye: Are you defending the average DME? Isn't the general view to quadruple check anything they tell you? :D
My earliest DME once said something that was almost correct but then quickly retracted that accidental statement.

My gut reaction, though, is always to cross the street to get away from spelling police, grammar police, AND wording police. Not that I have anything against law enforcement, or anything.
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Re: SoClean?

Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:46 pm

But, kids . . . Unscented baby wipes, dawn, vinegar, clean water--all way cheap!
Not so much my Water Pik, but I like clean exhaust vents with no minty smell.

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