Anyone do better with lower pressure?

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TedVPAP
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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by TedVPAP » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:57 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
TedVPAP wrote:I don't understand what you are saying. Please explain.
Ted, You should explain what you mean by a "perfect" algorithm and how "perfect" would work. This might be an interesting discussion. Otherwise, "perfect" just means "magic".
Perhaps replacing the word "perfect" with the phrase "always ideal" would help you understand.
Perfect is not synonymous with magic.

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:29 pm

TedVPAP wrote:Perhaps replacing the word "perfect" with the phrase "always ideal" would help you understand.
"Always ideal" still means "magic". Can you name one medical therapy that is perfect or always ideal?

An "always ideal" APAP algorithm would prevent all breathing events with no side effects. That would be magic. A unicorn. Won't happen in this world.

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by TedVPAP » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:42 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
TedVPAP wrote:Perhaps replacing the word "perfect" with the phrase "always ideal" would help you understand.
"Always ideal" still means "magic". Can you name one medical therapy that is perfect or always ideal?

An "always ideal" APAP algorithm would prevent all breathing events with no side effects. That would be magic. A unicorn. Won't happen in this world.
Try rereading my post to understand the point I was making. If you are unsure, I truly will try to clarify.
Otherwise, I am not interested in semantical arguments. There are many others on this forum that enjoy such "fun".

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by nicholasjh1 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:48 am

From looking at my data going from 7-12 my apnea's went from .2 to around .8, going from 12 - 14 my apnea's went from about .8 to about 2.2, going from 14-16.2 my apnea's went from 2.2 to 0 to .7 (average around .3). looking at the data my interpretation is it's because Apnea's cause me micro arousals (sometimes enough for the "apnea" not to record on the machine (less then 10 seconds and it didn't happen, it's like the floor rule) raising the pressure increased my deep sleep, which I didn't wake out of, but my apnea's went up due to relaxation. Raising it to 16.2 lowered those deeps sleep apnea's. I'm not saying raising it even more is the answer, but the apnea numbers alone don't show a full picture. if you do more experimentation and show all your numbers perhaps we can help you better.

My point is that more information and more experimentation is needed to really find the best numbers for you.
Instead of Sleep apnea it should be called "Sleep deprivation starving of oxygen, being poisoned by high CO2 levels, damaging the body and brain while it's supposed to be healing so that you constantly get worse and can never get healthy Apnea"

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by Rainmom17 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:44 am

OP here. Good news - I am doing much better with my minimum now at 9. I don't know why I had so many troubles with the small move from 7.5 to 8. But I haven't had any problems with 9. My ahi has been between ,8 and 2.2 since making the change, which are good numbers for me. I am feeling a little better too. I changed my thyroid meds at same time, so too many variables for me to attribute it just to cpap. But, I'm just happy my therapy is going better and I'm finally feeling some improvement.

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by TedVPAP » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:30 pm

Rainmom17 wrote:OP here. Good news - I am doing much better with my minimum now at 9. I don't know why I had so many troubles with the small move from 7.5 to 8. But I haven't had any problems with 9. My ahi has been between ,8 and 2.2 since making the change, which are good numbers for me. I am feeling a little better too. I changed my thyroid meds at same time, so too many variables for me to attribute it just to cpap. But, I'm just happy my therapy is going better and I'm finally feeling some improvement.
Those are good numbers - congrats.

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Re: Anyone do better with lower pressure?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:06 am

Rainmom17 wrote:my thyroid meds
Thyroid dysfunction is a symptom of sleep apnea. As your CPAP therapy brings your sleep and sleep-breathing to normal, your thyroid condition may improve. Changes in your medications may be required.