Dazed and Confused

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by Mudrock63 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:01 am

grifho wrote:Thanks mudrock and okydoky. I'll download that Sleepyhead so I won't belabor others with my ill-informed ramblings and speculation I would never know this stuff without going on cpaptalk, so I'm glad I jumped in.
Just so we are clear....the Sleepyhead is for your computer. There is an SD card in the back of your machine, which you remove and take to your computer. When you start the Sleepyhead software, go to file, and select import data. It will ask you to insert the SD card into the computer. Then it will suck up the data and prepare a report. The daily tab will show you the previous night's sleep. And the other tabs will show you overall statistics. Trust me, you are flying nearly blind trying to monitor your therapy with the limited data you can read off your machine. Sleepyhead will give you a detailed picture of what is going on during your sleep. Once you get that up and running on your computer, we can help you upload a screenshot of the data. Once the people here can see what is going on, I am betting they can provide suggestions that will further lower your AHI.

Also, stick with this thread rather than starting a new one. It's best to keep all your info on one thread to keep it organized.

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:37 am

you'll progress a lot faster if you quit arguing with people that know more than you do about stuff.

instead of saying "I can't do that" when someone suggests you do, why not investigate FIRST and see what they're talking about?

it'll save time, and you'll end up in the same spot.

also, you've got the wrong humidifier selected in your profile, what you have listed is from a different manufacturer and not at all compatible.... just leave the humidifier part blank, since the humidifier IS built in,
Geesh...though doth protest too much. I wasn't arguing with him. I said I "didn't think" I have the ability to load the software, as I didn't see how based on the documentation I have for my machine and what I was told about it. So I got a response and now I know better.

OK, I will change the humidifier, thanks.

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:46 am

Just so we are clear....the Sleepyhead is for your computer. There is an SD card in the back of your machine, which you remove and take to your computer. When you start the Sleepyhead software, go to file, and select import data. It will ask you to insert the SD card into the computer. Then it will suck up the data and prepare a report. The daily tab will show you the previous night's sleep. And the other tabs will show you overall statistics. Trust me, you are flying nearly blind trying to monitor your therapy with the limited data you can read off your machine. Sleepyhead will give you a detailed picture of what is going on during your sleep. Once you get that up and running on your computer, we can help you upload a screenshot of the data. Once the people here can see what is going on, I am betting they can provide suggestions that will further lower your AHI.
OK, thanks mudrock (and okeydoky). I'll be doing this as soon as I can. I'll look forward to it. More data is always better, as is feedback on the data from the people here that have gone through this.

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:45 pm

I'm drinking the kool-aid now. I've finally loaded my data. Any opinions are much appreciated. I did the format to my best understanding on how to do it, so let me know if that could use some fine-tuning as well. Thanks

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by palerider » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:15 pm

lala..

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:54 pm

next time, please select the "linked BBcode" (bottom link) on imgur, that gives a easy clickthrough to a larger image. you got the 'large thumbnail' bit right. but as it is, someone has to right click, view image, then edit the url and remove the l just before the .png to get a large image. (I modified the link I quoted above)

I'd say it looks fairly good over all, your leaks are good, only over the problem line for 0.7% of the night, if it were me, i'd raise your minimum pressure, probably to 9, see how it goes for a few nights, and re-evaluate... just so the machine spends less time getting up to the pressures you need.

the CAs are probably artifacts of movement and moving around on the bed, and are too low to be concerned about, the hopos and obstructives are good and low.
oh ok, palerider. I thought I did use the linked BBcode, but guess not. Next time I'll make sure. I suppose I could remove the auto ramp, as that would bring me up to 6 at least for the start, as my pressure is set to 6-13. If I go with minimum pressure of 9, I'd just have to have it done remotely by the company. Thanks for the advice...heading to bed now, but I'll take a look a the things you mention tomorrow.

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by OkyDoky » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:12 pm

If that AHI is what you have been running, I agree that you need to increase your minimum. If you look at the statistics your medium pressure was 9.06. Just turning the ramp off is not going to accomplish what you need for the rest of the night. Every time you start and stop the machine it returns to ramp and then the minimum which is lower than you need. The DME will say the doctor has to order it before they can change it and with a 3.40 AHI your doctor may consider it treated. Maybe they will work with you if you understand why you need it. But remember you sleep with the machine every night and they see you rarely and even then may only check compliance data. But you have to do whatever you feel you need to do and are comfortable doing.
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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by palerider » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:22 pm

why did I write that?

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by palerider » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:24 pm

beep boop boop beep beep

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:41 am

If that AHI is what you have been running, I agree that you need to increase your minimum. If you look at the statistics your medium pressure was 9.06. Just turning the ramp off is not going to accomplish what you need for the rest of the night. Every time you start and stop the machine it returns to ramp and then the minimum which is lower than you need. The DME will say the doctor has to order it before they can change it and with a 3.40 AHI your doctor may consider it treated. Maybe they will work with you if you understand why you need it. But remember you sleep with the machine every night and they see you rarely and even then may only check compliance data. But you have to do whatever you feel you need to do and are comfortable doing.
okydoky, now that's both you and palerider suggesting this, so I get that I ought to do this. I had it higher before, but the pressure seemed too much at certain points of the night, so the sleep doctor suggested I lower it. But maybe that's because I was waking up at night...not sure. Not that I think highly of my sleep doctor's opinion. I don't, really. I was looking for much more of an insight into my situation, and she just gave me information I knew already.

But she doesn't consider it treated. She said some people were getting AHI of 1 or 2, so she implied I should be gunning for something like that. Actually, 3.4 is about the BEST I've got. Many times I get something between 6-8. But---I've used a chinstrap the last few nights, and my events have been sub-5 all 3 nights. I would get a dry mouth, so I knew I was doing mouth breathing (and my wife told me I snored--at least before the CPAP), hence the chinstrap. But it's not all that tight. I think I can get even better results if I make it tighter, as I still get mouth dryness. Does that sound like the right approach, or should I just change the pressure first and see what that does? Generally, I think it's better to do one thing at a time to evaluate it in isolation, rather than doing two things, so maybe just changing the pressure first is the way to go? The responses I'm getting here are encouraging me to take initiative for myself using information from informed people like yourself and palerider, rather than rely on the "specialists". Thanks for the response.
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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:51 am

alternatively, you could say "since you suggested changing my pressure, how would I do that" and I'd point you to where you can get the super sekrit manual for your machine that the remotely people have, which tells you what all the settings are, and what combination of button presses is needed to unlock the hidden menus...
I had no idea that was an option. When I had the machine delivered, the guy said "ok, I'll change this pressure part", so I deferred to him on that. I think it's a reflexive thing where you listen when the doctor/technician says "finish all your antibiotics" and so forth. But on the other hand, my experience with doctors is that most of what they tell me is just speculative by using superficial diagnosis (hey, sounds like me on this site ). I've had sinus headache/pressure issues for a long time, and have had all sorts of contrasting opinions. So, yeah.....where can I get this secret manual and what are the button presses for the hidden menus? And what's a good range if the minimum would be 9? If I have 6-13 now, would it be 9-16 or something?
hit 'quote' for your message with the pic, and look at the stuff around the url of the pic, then hit 'quote' on my reply, and see the difference. that difference is what you get when you hit bbcode, vs linked bbcode.
I'm on my work PC, and somehow the browsers are blocking the images from popping up, but I'll certainly check the difference and send it the right way next time. Thanks.

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by OkyDoky » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:00 am

If you look at your time over leak red line on the left side of your Sleepyhead it is 0.741% of over 7 1/2 hrs of sleep. That's just a few minutes. You really didn't have a significant amount of large leak that effects data. Now the smaller leaks might be waking you up and disturbing your sleep. Sometimes as we get used to everything we almost reposition the mask in our sleep. One thing you might try to help with the leaks is during the day place your tongue at the roof of your mouth with the tip just behind your teeth and breath in and out through your nose. It will create a vacumn where you can't breath out through your mouth. Try it. Some prople have found by doing this they have learned to sleep that way and decreased their mouth leaks. I would be careful about tightening your chin strap too tight because it can pull your jaw back and make the apnea worse or give you problems with TMJ.

On that screenshot the leaks don't look to be a big problem. So I would go with the minimun pressure increase recommend and try it for a few days.
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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by palerider » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:27 pm

ZZZzzz...

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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by grifho » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:06 pm

you're a very "I can't" person, it's frustrating, because when someone here suggests that you do something, your immediate reaction is "I can't" not "how can I do that".
Who, me? I can't (there it is again ) believe you said that, seriously, palerider. If you tell me I can do it, then I do it. Before that, I don't know. You hadn't told me I could do it myself, but once you did I was all on board. I even asked you for details. Now, c'mon, that can't be frustrating, can it?

My friend, try to empathize with others a bit more in life. Consider that others are probably reading this thinking that you're being a bit off your rocker. I welcome anyone else here to say whether our recent interactions indicate whether I'm frustrating to deal with, or whether you are being rather difficult.
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Re: Dazed and Confused

Post by palerider » Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:29 pm

the problem with talking to a brick wall is that it really gets you nowhere.

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