Mask Seal on Airsense 10

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by palerider » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:25 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:The date data is shown in the software dows not correspond with the date on which my sleep occurred,
one would think that the last night of data would be pretty easy to find in either program.

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:41 pm

palerider wrote:
MarylandCPAPer wrote:The date data is shown in the software dows not correspond with the date on which my sleep occurred,
one would think that the last night of data would be pretty easy to find in either program.
Yes, one would think so, but for some reason it is not working that way for me. It appears Sleepyhead thinks a day starts at midnight and the A10 evidently thinks a day ends at noon. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I know the A10 does reset at noon, as the display for today shows 45 minutes of an AHI of 4.4 and a red frowny face for the mask seal, when the nasal pillows were properly sitting where they belong and there appear to be no holes in any hoses.

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by palerider » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:55 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:Yes, one would think so, but for some reason it is not working that way for me. It appears Sleepyhead thinks a day starts at midnight
sleepyhead rolls over the day whenever you tell it to, by default, the same as the machine, noon.

it's the "day split time" setting on the preferences/import screen.

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:41 pm

When I have a pattern of high leak, I check my notebook, where I mark the date I installed the current pillow.
Medicare allows two a month, but I can usually stretch it to three weeks before the silicone turns to crap.
{{{I need to get busy and give my reserve headgear a good hot bath. Sometimes loose means leaky.}}}
Edit: my clock is set between DST and standard time. Always a half hour off. Weird, huh?

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:51 pm

palerider wrote:
MarylandCPAPer wrote:Yes, one would think so, but for some reason it is not working that way for me. It appears Sleepyhead thinks a day starts at midnight
sleepyhead rolls over the day whenever you tell it to, by default, the same as the machine, noon.

it's the "day split time" setting on the preferences/import screen.
Should day split time be checked or not?

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by TangledHose » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:58 pm

On the Resmeds the machine's clock can be set/adjusted by the user........might want to first verify that your A10 clock is set to the correct time........that's also what the data's time is based on for your software.

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:34 am

My Resmed A10 clock is set to the correct time. The red frowny face mask seal evidently is based on 45 minutes of data after noon.

Is there any way to set the Rescan and Sleepyhead software and the A10 so that the 24-hour period is from midnight to 11:59 pm? I never get to sleep before midnight and I am often still asleep at noon, so the display data when I wake up is usually pretty worthless because it covers a very short period of time after noon.

If nasal pillows on the Airfit P10 are supposed to be replaced twice a month, I am WAY overdue for a change. The nasal pillows fit and work, however.

Thank you for your help. If the frowny face is still there the next time I wake up, then I will have to look further into leakage, but I see no signs of leaky hoses, nasal pillows , etc.

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Re: Mask Seal Gets Red Frowny Face on Airsense 10??

Post by TangledHose » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:04 am

Maryland,

As far as the time issue is concerned........the time that Sleepyhead or Rescan picks up for their reports is based on the clock that you can adjust on the machine. I have read that some shift workers that sleep during the day and then work all night simply set the clock on the Resmed either 12 hours off of reality or adjust the hour on the clock so that their software reports show a more normal sleep cycle. That would be the easiest thing to do if you wanted to go that route. I can't advise about shifting the time on the software side as I've never monkeyed with the software to that degree.

I would guess that the time you may be spending in large leak territory is when you are fully asleep so that you are not consciously aware of the leaks, as you get into deeper sleep your facial muscles relax and can cause more leaks, or possibly you could be rolling over and spending some time on your back which can also cause leaks. The software, either Sleepyhead, or Rescan should help with figuring out exactly when you're having the leaks. Hope you get it figured out, those frowny faces are not pretty

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:26 am

Hopefully, this is a screenshot from Sleepyhead.
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Does this give any indication of a large leak?

The timeframe is from 5 am to 10 pm, with an awake period from about 5 to 6:30 pm. The doctor started me on a new sleep aid that I took for the first time before 5 am. I hope it doesn't work this well (15 hours of sleep!!) every night!

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by palerider » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:54 am

MarylandCPAPer wrote:Hopefully, this is a screenshot from Sleepyhead.
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Does this give any indication of a large leak?
well, yes, yes it does. see all those "large leak" flags? and the "time over leak redline"?

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:27 am

The A10 evidently did not find reason for concern in these large leaks, as I got a smiley face today for Mask Seal. The frowny face was from 45 minutes data on the previous day.

The hoses are all intact, the nasal pillows seem to fit, and I go to sleep and wake up with my mouth shut, so I don't know where the leak supposedly is. There is a permissible leak for each mask, isn't there? I think 24 is the "permissible" leak for this mask.

Other then excessive daytime sleeping when I would prefer to be sleeping at night, it feels like treatment is going better with the A10 than with the PR System One, in that I feel more rested.

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by palerider » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:39 am

MarylandCPAPer wrote:The A10 evidently did not find reason for concern in these large leaks, as I got a smiley face today for Mask Seal. The frowny face was from 45 minutes data on the previous day.

The hoses are all intact, the nasal pillows seem to fit, and I go to sleep and wake up with my mouth shut, so I don't know where the leak supposedly is. There is a permissible leak for each mask, isn't there? I think 24 is the "permissible" leak for this mask.

Other then excessive daytime sleeping when I would prefer to be sleeping at night, it feels like treatment is going better with the A10 than with the PR System One, in that I feel more rested.
no, no, no.

no, you're wrong about what the smiley/frowny face means, frowny face means it's REALLY bad. smiley face doesn't mean it's good, just not REALLY bad. some research on the forum will turn up what the frowny face means.

no, masks don't have permissible leak rates.

no, that mask doesn't have a leak rate, machines have acceptable leak rates, resmed pegs that at 24lpm, you're over 24lpm for nearly 1/5th of the night. your UAs are apneas that happen when you're leaking so badly that the machine can't figure out what is going on.

you're leaking out your mouth, or around your nose. believe it or not, you move around, and you're losing a lot of air during the night.

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by zoocrewphoto » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:49 am

As a severe night owl, I set my machine's time so t hat it thinks that noon is at 3pm or 4pm depending on the time of year. I do not change it for daylight saving time. Everything comes out great in my graphs. I just need to know to change the time in my mind if I am looking at a particular event.

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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by Krelvin » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:11 am

MarylandCPAPer wrote:Hopefully, this is a screenshot from Sleepyhead.
Does this give any indication of a large leak?
Yep, highlighted to make it easier to see. 5 sleep sessions where you took your mask off or the machine stopped running.

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It is a good example of why the face symbol for how the entire night went is pretty useless. Almost 20% of the time you were having a large leak which pretty much means the machine doesn't know what to do.

So the 0.77 AHI is most likely not real either.
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Re: Mask Seal on Airsense 10

Post by CarolS » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:44 am

I spoke to a respiratory therapist at Resmed in San Diego about this. She told me that the frown face means that you spent 30% of the night with leaks above 24 liters/minute. I have the same machine as you although I use the f10 full face mask.

Hope this helps,

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