Please help with battery pack

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Please help with battery pack

Post by SheilaD » Sat May 30, 2015 8:33 am

Does anyone happen to have a C-100 Battery Pack I can buy off of them cheaper then they have online. We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all. My insurance will not cover a battery pack and I have been looking online for cheaper deals but they are all so expensive. My husband is a vet and due to his meds and mine we cant afford to outright buy the battery pack offline brand new. And before some of you ask yes he does get most of his meds from the VA but not all of them are covered by the VA. Any help sure would be appreciated.

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by CapnLoki » Sat May 30, 2015 9:49 am

SheilaD wrote:Does anyone happen to have a C-100 Battery Pack I can buy off of them cheaper then they have online. We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all. My insurance will not cover a battery pack and I have been looking online for cheaper deals but they are all so expensive. My husband is a vet and due to his meds and mine we cant afford to outright buy the battery pack offline brand new. And before some of you ask yes he does get most of his meds from the VA but not all of them are covered by the VA. Any help sure would be appreciated.
The setup I describe at the bottom of this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=102775
costs about $150.

You can save a few dollars by eliminating the battery box, but make sure you do something to prevent the possibility of shorting the terminals like taping them or getting the little rubber booties. Also the charger I mention is the medium power version so you could change to the low power, which would take all day or more to recover a nights' use; that would save another $25. It still comes with most of the needed cables.
http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Tender-02 ... B000CITK8S

This get you down to about $100 for a system that will run your cpap for a night, with humidity as long is you don't use the highest settings. Without humidity it will go several nights. It can be configured to run on AC and the fall over to the battery if the power fails. There is nothing special about the battery, aside from being a good price point, and you could probably save a few dollars going a bit smaller.

However, there is still a missing piece: you need either an inverter ($25 and up, but will drain a lot of power) or the 12/24 DC converter (better choice but about $85). You will need one or the other to connect a 12v battery to a ResMed pump.

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by grayghost4 » Sat May 30, 2015 9:58 am

If you're not part of the solution you're just scumming up the bottom of the beaker!

Get the Clinicians manual here : http://apneaboard.com/adjust-cpap-press ... tup-manual

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by SheilaD » Sun May 31, 2015 2:34 pm

CapnLoki wrote:
SheilaD wrote:Does anyone happen to have a C-100 Battery Pack I can buy off of them cheaper then they have online. We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all. My insurance will not cover a battery pack and I have been looking online for cheaper deals but they are all so expensive. My husband is a vet and due to his meds and mine we cant afford to outright buy the battery pack offline brand new. And before some of you ask yes he does get most of his meds from the VA but not all of them are covered by the VA. Any help sure would be appreciated.
The setup I describe at the bottom of this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=102775
costs about $150.

You can save a few dollars by eliminating the battery box, but make sure you do something to prevent the possibility of shorting the terminals like taping them or getting the little rubber booties. Also the charger I mention is the medium power version so you could change to the low power, which would take all day or more to recover a nights' use; that would save another $25. It still comes with most of the needed cables.
http://www.amazon.com/Battery-Tender-02 ... B000CITK8S

This get you down to about $100 for a system that will run your cpap for a night, with humidity as long is you don't use the highest settings. Without humidity it will go several nights. It can be configured to run on AC and the fall over to the battery if the power fails. There is nothing special about the battery, aside from being a good price point, and you could probably save a few dollars going a bit smaller.

However, there is still a missing piece: you need either an inverter ($25 and up, but will drain a lot of power) or the 12/24 DC converter (better choice but about $85). You will need one or the other to connect a 12v battery to a ResMed pump.
Wow thats a lot of equipment. Thanks so much for your help. This will save me and my husband alot of money. I do have 1 question though. I have the resmed airsense 10 machine so would i still have to get the 12/24 converter and if so what exactly is that because i have no clue what that is. thanks in advance for all your help.

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by TangledHose » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:33 am

The ResMed Airsense machines operate on 24 volts so you have to either use a DC power converter to get you up to the required 24 volts or use an inverter. The best choice is the DC power converter because it will use less power from your battery set up. Using an inverter can cause your battery run time to drop considerably, so the inverter is not the best choice.

Here is the link to the ResMed DC converter from our sponsors at cpap.com.......the DC converters are a little expensive, but probably the best way to go if using battery power.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... hines.html

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by postitnote » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:35 am

SheilaD wrote:Does anyone happen to have a C-100 Battery Pack I can buy off of them cheaper then they have online. We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all. My insurance will not cover a battery pack and I have been looking online for cheaper deals but they are all so expensive. My husband is a vet and due to his meds and mine we cant afford to outright buy the battery pack offline brand new. And before some of you ask yes he does get most of his meds from the VA but not all of them are covered by the VA. Any help sure would be appreciated.
If you're not using it for camping why not get a generator for your house? We bought ours new but it was on sale at Farm and Fleet for less than $500. It's been a life saver during a few winter outages! Check Craig's list and garage sales for used ones. Might even find one at an auction.
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by Krelvin » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:57 am

postitnote wrote:If you're not using it for camping why not get a generator for your house? We bought ours new but it was on sale at Farm and Fleet for less than $500. It's been a life saver during a few winter outages! Check Craig's list and garage sales for used ones. Might even find one at an auction.
Generators can be a bit noisy and kind of over kill if this is all you are powering. A long term solution which doesn't require you to go outside to get it started (never use a generator indoors)... would be something like talked about on this page:

https://sleep.tnet.com/resources/batter ... collection

Prices change slightly up and down, but this a good working system that is safe and provides more than enough power. No problems having this in the bedroom.

Note that I have a generator myself, but it powers a lot more than just my CPAP (fridge/freezer/power for other items). I'd use one of the above systems instead if it was just an outage during the winter and I need to get sleep.
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by postitnote » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:29 am

Krelvin wrote:
postitnote wrote:If you're not using it for camping why not get a generator for your house? We bought ours new but it was on sale at Farm and Fleet for less than $500. It's been a life saver during a few winter outages! Check Craig's list and garage sales for used ones. Might even find one at an auction.
Generators can be a bit noisy and kind of over kill if this is all you are powering. A long term solution which doesn't require you to go outside to get it started (never use a generator indoors)... would be something like talked about on this page:

https://sleep.tnet.com/resources/batter ... collection

Prices change slightly up and down, but this a good working system that is safe and provides more than enough power. No problems having this in the bedroom.

Note that I have a generator myself, but it powers a lot more than just my CPAP (fridge/freezer/power for other items). I'd use one of the above systems instead if it was just an outage during the winter and I need to get sleep.
An outage in the winter in the Midwest is a lot colder than AZ. An ice storm or even someone hitting a transformer during a blizzard can put us out for a long enough time to make the house really cold. I don't worry about the fridge or freezer as much as I do freezing! Cpap, portable heaters, extension cord for laptop, phone charging. Have lamps that were once on the courthouse dome that get hooked to a car battery (we keep one charged to bring in just in case) to light my house up! We once went 86 hours with no power or gas almost 30 years ago. I won't do that again! The generator is a pain to move to the yard but you gotta do what you gotta do, right!
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by Krelvin » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:53 am

postitnote wrote:An outage in the winter in the Midwest is a lot colder than AZ. An ice storm or even someone hitting a transformer during a blizzard can put us out for a long enough time to make the house really cold. I don't worry about the fridge or freezer as much as I do freezing! Cpap, portable heaters, extension cord for laptop, phone charging. Have lamps that were once on the courthouse dome that get hooked to a car battery (we keep one charged to bring in just in case) to light my house up! We once went 86 hours with no power or gas almost 30 years ago. I won't do that again! The generator is a pain to move to the yard but you gotta do what you gotta do, right!
I am responding to what the OP requested. They did not indicate such usage.
SheilaD wrote:Does anyone happen to have a C-100 Battery Pack I can buy off of them cheaper then they have online. We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all....
Had they indicated the type of usage you are talking about, the solution would be different.
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by postitnote » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:45 pm

Krelvin wrote:
postitnote wrote:An outage in the winter in the Midwest is a lot colder than AZ. An ice storm or even someone hitting a transformer during a blizzard can put us out for a long enough time to make the house really cold. I don't worry about the fridge or freezer as much as I do freezing! Cpap, portable heaters, extension cord for laptop, phone charging. Have lamps that were once on the courthouse dome that get hooked to a car battery (we keep one charged to bring in just in case) to light my house up! We once went 86 hours with no power or gas almost 30 years ago. I won't do that again! The generator is a pain to move to the yard but you gotta do what you gotta do, right!
I am responding to what the OP requested. They did not indicate such usage.
But you quoted me and she said:
SheilaD wrote: We have a lot of power outages and I really dont want to have to stay up all night or worse have 2 or 3 days where I cant sleep at all. .
Krelvin wrote:Had they indicated the type of usage you are talking about, the solution would be different.
Kinda think she did! That or her house has a serious need of new electric. My bet she lives in IL or IN.
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by CapnLoki » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:47 pm

I can't think of anything sillier than running a genset all night to cover a 10 watt load when a $60 battery will do it.

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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by postitnote » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:28 pm

CapnLoki wrote:I can't think of anything sillier than running a genset all night to cover a 10 watt load when a $60 battery will do it.
I'm waiting to hear what Sheila has to say re what their power worries are. A $60 battery would be fine if the weather is okay but not when it's freezing and you also have no heat. She indicated multiple nights. Seems silly to me to only be concerned with cpap when you have nothing else on either. I'll cook on the gas grill in the winter but i'm not camping out by the fire pit in a sleeping bag to keep warm
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by hegel » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:55 pm

I'm going in a retreat and need a single night battery for my cpap. I'm planning on sleeping in a tent to give my room mate a break! what is this $60.00 battery that was mentioned? my machine is in my profile. Thanks!

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Post by Krelvin » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:03 pm

hegel wrote:I'm going in a retreat and need a single night battery for my cpap. I'm planning on sleeping in a tent to give my room mate a break! what is this $60.00 battery that was mentioned? my machine is in my profile. Thanks!
Unless you are very near a vehicle, the battery being talked about would be a bit heavy. The battery which isn't all you will need is about 25lbs. You will also need an M-Series cable and perhaps more. (all in the link: https://sleep.tnet.com/resources/batter ... collection )
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Re: Please help with battery pack

Post by zoocrewphoto » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:46 am

Krelvin wrote: Note that I have a generator myself, but it powers a lot more than just my CPAP (fridge/freezer/power for other items). I'd use one of the above systems instead if it was just an outage during the winter and I need to get sleep.
We have a generator which runs the fridge and freezer, the heat during the day (we have gas heat, so we just need it to run the fan part), and some lights. So, we can easily add two cpap machines to that. We keep our generator outside behind the house, and we run a long extension cord into the house.

We don't get many bad power outages, but we have had a few over the years that were 2-4 days. If there is something big in the forecast, we make sure the gas cans are full as well as all of the vehicles (just in case). The last time we had a 3 day power outage, the gas stations ran out of gas, and many cash machines were down too. It was a widespread outage which isn't normal for the Seattle area. So, a lot of people were very unprepared. Grocery stores were closed. Fast food places were closed. And a lot of people were trying to cook and heat their apartments with BBQs. It was pretty bad. We were really comfortable with our generator and gas stove. We had plenty of food, heat, and stuff to do.

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