Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Fri May 15, 2015 10:01 pm

Okay...here's the thread where I described what I did with the P10 and the traditional headgear on the Swift FX.
Read down the thread and the pictures are close to the bottom.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95164&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... &start=195

You take off the stretchy headgear on the P10 and those little plastic "arm" things that are sort of rigid you feed in and out of the little slots on the headgear ends where the nasal pillow attaches. You could probably cut that part off of the P10 or you could do like I did...just secured it against the silicone with one of those pink/gray side strap covers that come with the Swift FX. I have pictures of that also. I actually slept with my little hybrid and it worked great.

Now doing it with the Bella Loops is going to be more tricky because that little "arm" thing from the frame will want to go somewhere....and there's no where for it to really go so it will need to be trimmed off.

Let me go dig out my stuff and see what I can come up with in terms of attaching the P10 frame to the Bella Loops.
Will report back later or tomorrow.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by RogerSC » Fri May 15, 2015 10:15 pm

I used that hybrid FX/P10 thing for about a week. It worked, and was okay, but not solid enough for prime time for me. Fun to try though.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Fri May 15, 2015 10:30 pm

Bad news....I thought for sure that I had a Bella Loop I could play with but I can't even find the broken one that I had forever. So at the moment I don't have the Swift FX headgear or the Loops. I gave away my last Swift FX for here with Bella Loops included not long ago to someone in need and I forgot to go to EBay and get another headgear and I didn't even know that all my Loops were gone.

So I will need to order a pair of Bella Loops....unless someone has a pair they want to donate because they hate them.
I am thinking I can still do it the same way through the slots...I just don't know what to do with the long arms except cut them off but want to try maybe bending and securing first.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Sun May 24, 2015 11:18 am

Update on the experiment to attach the P10 hose/pillow frame to the Swift FX Bella Loops.
It can be done and it's fairly comfortable and stable.
The plastic "arm" that goes up the cheek from the hose/pillow frame needs to be shortened and run up through the little cover that is on the loops to hold things together.
Pictures to follow once I can get some good pics. Needs to be later though as I have some place to go in a little bit.

I don't know that I want to permanently shorten those little "arms" at this point because I don't really have a problem with the way it is right now...but the P10 can be attached to the Bella Loops and it really isn't that big of a deal.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by winkencat » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:39 pm

I have a bella swift loops nasal pillows mask and the loops are killing my ears. I stopped using the full headhear because it was breaking the hair at the crown of my head. Any suggestions?

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:47 pm

winkencat wrote:I have a bella swift loops nasal pillows mask and the loops are killing my ears. I stopped using the full headhear because it was breaking the hair at the crown of my head. Any suggestions?
The ResMed AirFit P10 nasal pillow mask just uses a thin little strip of stretchy cloth as headgear. Less likely to damage the hair. https://www.cpap.com/productpage/resmed ... dgear.html

Or there's the Tap Pap mask that uses no headgear at all
https://www.cpap.com/productpage/tap-pa ... roved.html

There are also covers for the Swift FX traditional headgear so all the silicone gets covered and won't pull on the hair.
I think Padacheek makes something that covers the whole thing.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by SewTired » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:10 pm

I really like all these comparisons. One question - I love the Swift FX (still trying to decide which size pillows work best), but am having trouble with the back of the head part of the headgear migrating up during sleep. I have short hair, so anchoring it hasn't been working so well. Any suggestions? I think this is the only reason why I'm getting leaks with the medium size as more than half of the first part of the night has no leaks.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Ladyflower » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:33 am

I've been using the Airfit p10 nasal pillow mask for the last year and it's been working really well. I don't love that I have to put the bottom strap under my hair to keep the back from migrating in my sleep, but it gives me a good tight seal on the mask. From looking at my Sleepyhead data I rarely have a leak.

The P10 can be a pain to get off and on quickly when I have to get up for my kids during the night. I thought the Bella loops would be quick and easy just going around the ears. I've used it a couple times and I've noticed a big problem. The angle is wrong. The shape of the Airfit p10 guides the cheek straps upward, above the ears to the back of the head. This angle pulls the nasal pillow tighter to your nostrils, creating a good, tight seal. However, the Bella loops don't give much of an upward angle - mainly it just goes back. So there is no upward pressure to keep the pillows firmly in place. Every time I moved the nasal pillow wanted to come off my nose and I kept getting leaks and having to adjust it back into place.

Does your modified P10 help with this? Or are you cutting the arm before it has a chance to direct the angle upward? Maybe my ears are just too low.
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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:07 am

Ladyflower wrote:Does your modified P10 help with this? Or are you cutting the arm before it has a chance to direct the angle upward? Maybe my ears are just too low.
I didn't pursue the experiment any further because no one asked me anymore about it.
So I didn't cut the arms of the P10. I didn't want to butcher it up for no good reason.
For me the angle was fine with the loops but it was a quick test. I still have the P10 attached to the Loops (arms slid through the pink/gray cover thing) but without cutting off the arm. I will try to figure out some way to lay down and check the angle of the pillow a little better. I don't have time to do it right now...just heading out the door to run some errands.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Ladyflower » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:03 am

Well, don't go butchering anything on my account. I'm thinking that it just isn't going to work for me around the ears because I need more of an upward angle to keep the pillows in place. I might have to play around with it to see if it's even doable with my ears.
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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Pugsy » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:38 pm

Ladyflower wrote:Well, don't go butchering anything on my account. I'm thinking that it just isn't going to work for me around the ears because I need more of an upward angle to keep the pillows in place. I might have to play around with it to see if it's even doable with my ears.
Were you able to successfully use the Swift FX nasal pillow with the Bella Loops? Or was the angle wrong with them too?
I was looking at my little experiment and I got to thinking if maybe I put the "arm" through the top strap it might help with the angle.
I need to get a Swift FX pillow out and play with things a bit to refresh my memory on how they fit.
I am thinking that if you weren't successful with the regular Swift FX pillow and the loops due to angle then I don't know if those little arms will help enough or not.

If you have the Bella Loops already and you have the P10....you can play with the little arms and see if it helps or not without butchering the little arms.
I don't know if it makes any difference which strap the arm gets snugged up with but it might. PITA to try to get the arm through the pink/gray cover and not lose the desired tension though. I have it just right then want to feed the little arm through and I can't seem to stop the loop from loosening up.

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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by Ladyflower » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:27 pm

I did use the Swift FX with the Bella Loops a couple times, but I just couldn't get a snug fit with the nasal pillows. Every time I would roll over, the pillows would move and I would have to adjust or get leaks. I tried adjusting the length of the loops, thinking I needed to pull it tighter to get a better seal, but all that did was make me feel the loops pulling on my ears more. To make the seal on the pillows better I would need something pulling up and back, which is what the arms on the P10 do. The bella loops only pull back, not up. So, I find the nasal pillow falling down onto my top lip (which is from the backward pull of the loops) instead of up toward my nostrils. I found myself going back to the P10 the last two nights even though I really need to replace my headgear before those little arms poke right through. I'll just have to play around with the loops and the p10 frame to see if there is anything I can do with it.
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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by surf_rower » Wed May 05, 2021 11:17 am

Pugsy or anyone, did you figure this out in the last few years since this thread? I would love use the AirFit P10 without any headgear at all. (I get all-day headaches from the straps on the head.) Before I order Bella Loops to try it with my AirFit (suspect pillows are set at wrong angle for ear loops), I'm thinking about taping the AirFit to my face somehow, like a hybrid of Bleep and AirFit P10.
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Re: Airfit p10 Vs Swift Fx

Post by JXG » Wed May 05, 2021 11:48 am

If you don't end up liking the ear loops, it might be possible to take the DreamWear headgear with arms and put it on the Swift FX. That would probably make for an extremely stable mask with a back strap that doesn't ride up.